Saiyan Island

Cyber · 11-01-2009, 04:39 PM

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I actually your wrong madara said that the next time he saw the kage's he would be on the battle field implying that he is currently unable to fight. Have we ever actually see madara use anything other than his eye tech and his ghost tech?

How does saying that next time he seems them is going to be on the battlefield imply that he can't fight? It implies that he can & is willing to fight the kages.

Matimac · 11-02-2009, 03:47 AM

Cyber took the words from my mouth. What eye tech are you referring to...?
I'm pretty sure that something as utterly complex like the Space/Time Manipulation would require you to be able to use other techniques or chakra at all.
No, we haven't seen him use any stronger techniques.

But saying that he will see them on the battlefield the next time they meet doesn't imply that he is unable to currently fight.

Kengen · 11-02-2009, 01:49 PM

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I think Madara has already shown his EMS. The fusion of his brothers and his own IS his EMS.
Think about this: imagine fighting a ghost. That's basically what you're doing when you're fighting Madara. He controls whether physical objects or attacks touch him or not...how can you fight someone like that? And then given the fact he can warp to wherever he wants to...that gives him the ultimate advantage over any opponent he faces.

But since he is a shell of his former self, he also may have some difficulty controlling this power. Or it could have a draw back. Like the Yohiko Pein's 5 second minimum wait between jutsu. He could have a time period after using his weird power when he is unable to touch anything himself. But that is only an abstract theory on my part.

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Madara is still capable of fighting, I think that is quite obvious. So far, there hasn't been an instance that would've forced him to use any ninjutsu or genjutsu. Remember, all of the things that happened in the previous chapters were all part of his Moon Eye Plan.

The fact that he can use his time/space manipulation makes it obvious that he can still use jutsu. How many of the Sharingan Techs he can use with one eye only is still a mystery. We haven't seen him use the Magenkyo or EMS. Hell, we haven't even seen him without the normal sharingan activated.

It does not mean he can use a jutsu. We have seen that Gaara with Shukaku in him, deflected attacks and never once used a jutsu. And Shukaku was not using a jutsu because Gaara was awake, and when Gaara was awake, Shukaku was dormant. We haven't seen any evidence that Madara can use any jutsu what-so-ever. On the other hand, we also havn't seen any evidence that he is unable to use any jutsu. And the fact that we have never seen him without a Sharingan may mean that he is unable to stop it. Being unable to deactivate your Sharingan would mean it is constantly draining your chakra. Which could be another reason he is only a shell of his former self.

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Cyber took the words from my mouth. What eye tech are you referring to...?
I'm pretty sure that something as utterly complex like the Space/Time Manipulation would require you to be able to use other techniques or chakra at all.
No, we haven't seen him use any stronger techniques.

But saying that he will see them on the battlefield the next time they meet doesn't imply that he is unable to currently fight.

And we have no evidence that he IS able to fight. And as for his Space/Time/Whatever-it-is Manipulation, it could be a power of his EMS. We know very little about the EMS in general, so it is possible that it requires little to no chakra. We just don't know. We also don't know if it is complex. It could be very simple, once someone gets the basics of it. It is like Killer Bee and his bijuu. It might have been very hard for him to control it, but now he has no problem with it. So the same could be for Madara and his ability. Overall, we just don't know, and the best any of us can do it stab randomly in the air. For all we know, Kishi could be prowling forums like this looking for ideas on what to include, or to make sure he didn't forget to cover something, or just to use our ideas to make the series the best it can be. He could. We just don't know.

Dipset077 · 11-02-2009, 02:14 PM

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But since he is a shell of his former self, he also may have some difficulty controlling this power. Or it could have a draw back. Like the Yohiko Pein's 5 second minimum wait between jutsu. He could have a time period after using his weird power when he is unable to touch anything himself. But that is only an abstract theory on my part.

He hasn't shown any difficulty, but that doesn't exactly mean there isn't any. Could be. Maybe not, maybe.

Kengen · 11-02-2009, 02:28 PM

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He hasn't shown any difficulty, but that doesn't exactly mean there isn't any. Could be. Maybe not, maybe.

Exactly. Because we don't know. There is still so much that is unknown right now. Things might turn out completely different from what we expected.

Dipset077 · 11-03-2009, 11:48 AM

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Exactly. Because we don't know. There is still so much that is unknown right now. Things might turn out completely different from what we expected.

Def agree

Cyber · 11-03-2009, 05:46 PM

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Def agree

Same, until new eveidence comes about, this is exactly what it is supposed to be, a theory,as in it can't be proved.

Dipset077 · 11-03-2009, 08:41 PM

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Same, until new eveidence comes about, this is exactly what it is supposed to be, a theory,as in it can't be proved.

Well I'll be the one to say that I don't think there's any drawbacks lol Other than maybe chakra usage. I mean, Kakashi didn't show any problem doing his similar jutsu eh?

Cyber · 11-04-2009, 05:52 PM

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Well I'll be the one to say that I don't think there's any drawbacks lol Other than maybe chakra usage. I mean, Kakashi didn't show any problem doing his similar jutsu eh?

Your rioght he didn't, but hes an Elite Jounin at the height of his power, Madara is a washed up shell of a uchiha.

Kengen · 11-04-2009, 06:27 PM

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Your right he didn't, but hes an Elite Jounin at the height of his power, Madara is a washed up shell of a Uchiha.

We do not know if Kakashi is at the height of his power. He may become more powerful as a few years go by (not too many though). And Madara is still pretty powerful considering what he has done so far. Not just his personal power, but the power that he has acquired.

Shabyinnegan · 11-04-2009, 10:23 PM

i kidna tink dat madara iz just a ghost liek obi wan kenobi or master yoda in star wars. it wuld explane how he culd transport nd stuf jusst go throw him.

Cyber · 11-05-2009, 05:21 PM

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We do not know if Kakashi is at the height of his power. He may become more powerful as a few years go by (not too many though). And Madara is still pretty powerful considering what he has done so far. Not just his personal power, but the power that he has acquired.

Isn't his personal power made up of the power he has aquired over the years?

N2561 · 11-05-2009, 05:31 PM

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i kidna tink dat madara iz just a ghost liek obi wan kenobi or master yoda in star wars. it wuld explane how he culd transport nd stuf jusst go throw him.

please do not return to these forums until you've learned how to talk proper english.

OK heres what i think about this whole thing, I think that since madara is a shell that the shell of his body had the sharingan already turned on which is why he cant turn it off. I think he either has no chakra or maybe that his shell possess some chakra but is so little its only used for his eye. Or maybe that since he has the EMS his eye no longer needs chakra.

Think about it, two full sharingans put together has got to equal some kick ass rewards. Could it be possible that when he took two sharingan's it replaced his normal eyes and made it so he always has his sharingan activated and makes it so for the basic 3 dot sharingan doesnt need chakra to activate/deactivate since he wont be activating or deactivating it anymore because its always on

Kengen · 11-05-2009, 06:06 PM

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Isn't his personal power made up of the power he has acquired over the years?

I meant acquired power as in the bijuu and the remaining Akatsuki members.

AIZENK08 · 11-05-2009, 06:46 PM

why use super techs when he can defeat people without them? he may be a shell or whatever, but right now, naruto cannot beat him and since we've never seen him in a serious confrontation, but he's able to play around with others while they're being serious and he made the fox attack the village, even though he became a "shell" many years before that

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Shabyinnegan Banned Academy Student Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 30	i kidna tink dat madara iz just a ghost liek obi wan kenobi or master yoda in star wars. it wuld explane how he culd transport nd stuf jusst go throw him.