War

[Pagsar]

Do you think war can be justified as well as the killing of other people. I fell thast it can be justified as long as the intentions are to protect peace thast it. what do you think.

[Dimetrius]

yes i do tink it can be justified but that doesnt mean its still right war is someting that only develop when u hav stupid ppl like hitler. Killing is killing reguardless of if the reasons are valid or not.

[IronTurkey]

Killing is never justified.

[Pagsar]

yes i do tink it can be justified but that doesnt mean its still right war is someting that only develop when u hav stupid ppl like hitler. Killing is killing reguardless of if the reasons are valid or not.
Great but Hitler justified it because he was doing it for the better good.
Killing is never justified.
I know it's never justified but ur instincts would want u to live so if some one tried to kill them you might kill them i believe killing can be justified under certain conditions.

[TheJWF]

Killing is never justified.

Tis-it-now? when someone is killing your family it's ether the guy who killing your family your family or you

[IronTurkey]

Tis-it-now? when someone is killing your family it's ether the guy who killing your family your family or youKilling is NEVER justified. Or should I make it more clear?

Everyone has the right/liberty/etc to live and no one has the right/liberty/etc to take that life away.

If a man tries to kill you or your family there are ways to stop him without killing him, just as there are ways to stop murder without executing criminals.

[Pagsar]

Killing is NEVER justified. Or should I make it more clear?

Everyone has the right/liberty/etc to live and no one has the right/liberty/etc to take that life away.

If a man tries to kill you or your family there are ways to stop him without killing him, just as there are ways to stop murder without executing criminals.

I know it's never justified but ur instincts would want u to live so if some one tried to kill u, you might kill them i believe killing can be justified under certain conditions.

[Dimetrius]

Great but Hitler justified it because he was doing it for the better good.

So wat are u saying he was right to do wat he did?????? he was wrong, u need balance in this world just like everting else, too much of one thing isnt good 4 anyting.

[Pagsar]

So wat are u saying he was right to do wat he did?????? he was wrong, u need balance in this world just like everting else, too much of one thing isnt good 4 anyting.

i know i was just saying that he had a reason for his killings he was not so um twisted his ideals where. AS where his methods.

[TheJWF]

Great but Hitler justified it because he was doing it for the better good.

When you kill for the better good of your nation it's more then okay in my book,
Hitler was doing what he thoght was best, NOTE im not saying what he did was Right or wrong

[Naruto]

First of all, war is nothing more but two leaders of a country fighting for domination.
The clashes of testosteron will never end, really.

I think, killing someone who tries to kill you is indeed justified. You have the right to defend yourself. I do not believe in "second chances". If you have raped a dozen of elderly women, killed off ten children and their parents in wartime, you deserve a punishment.

Look at it this way. If someone kills 2 people you knew and loved... Wouldn't you want your revenge? Noone is capable of just brushing his emotions aside and forgiving a murdered. Not the first few days/weeks/months/years.

People have allways craved for power and domination. War has allways existed troughout the many years man has wandered this big blue/green shiny orb of misery.

Why? Because of opinions. That's the basic reason for a war. Opinions. Someone disagrees and the other party decides to "eliminate" the "threat".
The second one is recources. It's easy to understand. Coal, for instance is getting quite scarce lately. Oil, one of the most commonly used recources for vehicles, machines... Is now pure (black) gold.

Whoever has the most recources, dominates the world. That's what war is about.

Killing is just a byproduct of a war. It has no real purpose. It's human. It's who we are. The power-hungry slaves of our own testosteron.


I'm done ranting; thanks for reading.

[Pagsar]

When you kill for the better good of your nation it's more then okay in my book,
Hitler was doing what he thoght was best, NOTE im not saying what he did was Right or wrong
just methods you now
First of all, war is nothing more but two leaders of a country fighting for domination.
The clashes of testosteron will never end, really.

I think, killing someone who tries to kill you is indeed justified. You have the right to defend yourself. I do not believe in "second chances". If you have raped a dozen of elderly women, killed off ten children and their parents in wartime, you deserve a punishment.

Look at it this way. If someone kills 2 people you knew and loved... Wouldn't you want your revenge? Noone is capable of just brushing his emotions aside and forgiving a murdered. Not the first few days/weeks/months/years.

People have allways craved for power and domination. War has allways existed troughout the many years man has wandered this big blue/green shiny orb of misery.

Why? Because of opinions. That's the basic reason for a war. Opinions. Someone disagrees and the other party decides to "eliminate" the "threat".
The second one is recources. It's easy to understand. Coal, for instance is getting quite scarce lately. Oil, one of the most commonly used recources for vehicles, machines... Is now pure (black) gold.

Whoever has the most recources, dominates the world. That's what war is about.

Killing is just a byproduct of a war. It has no real purpose. It's human. It's who we are. The power-hungry slaves of our own testosteron.


I'm done ranting; thanks for reading.
Dude no you need to think from different perspectives other people start wars because they feel other people don't need to walk this earth others because the seek a utopia. That's why war exist it's because on the peoples ideology it just a matter on how that person sees the world.

[Naruto]

just methods you now

Dude no you need to think from different perspectives other people start wars because they feel other people don't need to walk this earth others because the seek a utopia. That's why war exist it's because on the peoples ideology it just a matter on how that person sees the world.

Sigh. You concentrate on the so-called "facts". They where created by the people who started a war, to conceal their true reasons.

Hitler: Domination => exterminating the Jewish people, conquering Europe, and finally the USA, Asia and Australia would follow.
Stalin: Wanted to dominate his own country, by implementing the most idiotic rules ever seen by man. "Equality" for everybody, hahah!
Bush: => Dominating the oil market, the country of Iraq, and his own country.
Saddam/Osama: => Dominating his own country, much like Stalin.

Those are the true reasons. Ideology does not exist. Ideology is a lame excuse to hide the true reasons of a dictator. As i said, man has craved for more power from the day he walked the earth.

[Pagsar]

Sigh. You concentrate on the so-called "facts". They where created by the people who started a war, to conceal their true reasons.

Hitler: Domination => exterminating the Jewish people, conquering Europe, and finally the USA, Asia and Australia would follow.
Stalin: Wanted to dominate his own country, by implementing the most idiotic rules ever seen by man. "Equality" for everybody, hahah!
Bush: => Dominating the oil market, the country of Iraq, and his own country.
Saddam/Osama: => Dominating his own country, much like Stalin.

Those are the true reasons. Ideology does not exist. Ideology is a lame excuse to hide the true reasons of a dictator. As i said, man has craved for more power from the day he walked the earth.

No dude you are mistaken if you ant to change you have to have ideology. You see Hitler wanted a world of "Perfect" people. he believe The Germans where perfect. the Japansee believed they owned the Oceans so they help Hitler out. Every one has a believe in what they fight for my friend. So i am not all that much wrong i think.

[TheJWF]

LOL war in here, you guys got my thinking.......I DO NOT KNOW ANYMORE!

[Naruto]

No dude you are mistaken if you ant to change you have to have ideology. You see Hitler wanted a world of "Perfect" people. he believe The Germans where perfect. the Japansee believed they owned the Oceans so they help Hitler out. Every one has a believe in what they fight for my friend. So i am not all that much wrong i think.


Hitler: Domination => exterminating the Jewish people, conquering Europe, and finally the USA, Asia and Australia would follow.
Stalin: Wanted to dominate his own country, by implementing the most idiotic rules ever seen by man. "Equality" for everybody, hahah!
Bush: => Dominating the oil market, the country of Iraq, and his own country.
Saddam/Osama: => Dominating his own country, much like Stalin.

A matter of opinion. I think i'll rest my case.

[Pagsar]

A matter of opinion. I think i'll rest my case.

yeah i know but still the question if killing is justified and we said yes. Also opinion does not matter when you know whats going on around you.

p.s what i said in bold i think sounds cool:laugh:

[Naruto]

yeah i know but still the question if killing is justified and we said yes. Also opinion does not matter when you know whats going on around you.

p.s what i said in bold i think sounds cool:laugh:

If opinions don't matter, why bother creating a thread?

Think again. :D

[Pagsar]

If opinions don't matter, why bother creating a thread?

Think again. :D

Um i said opinions don't matter if you don't know whats going around you. You really can't make one unless u have seen different views of other people so far we have seen four counting your, and mine not a lot of choice huh. So until we get more we can make a better one.

[Naruto]

People on this forum don't like to think alot. I've seen really smart people here, but they aren't very active.

[TheJWF]

People on this forum don't like to think alot. I've seen really smart people here, but they aren't very active.

-/-\- I take that as a insult

[Naruto]

-/-\- I take that as a insult
You just spammed the Dalek thing here. If you don't want a ban, start discussing in this thread.

Choices come with different consequences, make your choise.
And i never said YOU where dumb. I said "a few people here are intelligent". That could also mean you.

[Pagsar]

People on this forum don't like to think alot. I've seen really smart people here, but they aren't very active.
sure u can say that but people don't like to try.
-/-\- I take that as a insult

it's not an insult it just means you need to be more aware.

[IronTurkey]

First of all, war is nothing more but two leaders of a country fighting for domination.
The clashes of testosterone will never end, really.

I think, killing someone who tries to kill you is indeed justified. You have the right to defend yourself. I do not believe in "second chances". If you have raped a dozen of elderly women, killed off ten children and their parents in wartime, you deserve a punishment.

Look at it this way. If someone kills 2 people you knew and loved... Wouldn't you want your revenge? No one is capable of just brushing his emotions aside and forgiving a murdered. Not the first few days/weeks/months/years.Vengeance cannot make people happy. And I'm glad to see that mercy exists in your view of the world.

"The problem with an eye for and eye is that eventually everyone goes blind."

People on this forum don't like to think alot. I've seen really smart people here, but they aren't very active.

You just spammed the Dalek thing here. If you don't want a ban, start discussing in this thread.

Choices come with different consequences, make your choise.
And i never said YOU where dumb. I said "a few people here are intelligent". That could also mean you.You know, I liked PHP better. He was more friendly, outgoing and helpful than Kawaii Naruto. I think it has to do with some sort of minor power trip, though I'd rather chalk it up to outside stresses.

[Pagsar]

Vengeance cannot make people happy. And I'm glad to see that mercy exists in your view of the world.

"The problem with an eye for and eye is that eventually everyone goes blind."



You know, I liked PHP better. He was more friendly, outgoing and helpful than Kawaii Naruto. I think it has to do with some sort of minor power trip, though I'd rather chalk it up to outside stresses.

I think you mean "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth right?" if u did not srry.

[TheJWF]

Vengeance cannot make people happy. And I'm glad to see that mercy exists in your view of the world.

"The problem with an eye for and eye is that eventually everyone goes blind."



You know, I liked PHP better. He was more friendly, outgoing and helpful than Kawaii Naruto. I think it has to do with some sort of minor power trip, though I'd rather chalk it up to outside stresses.

Vengeance dus make people happy or it just makes me happy,

I like Kawaii Naruto, he's no longer PHP but I like him better,
Kawaii Naruto seems less friendly becuz he now has to but down the law,
but al let him speck for him self

[Pagsar]

Vengeance dus make people happy or it just makes me happy,
I like Kawaii Naruto, he's no longer PHP but I like him better,
Kawaii Naruto seems less friendly becuz he now has to but down the law,
but al let him speck for him self

okay this is not about him can we get back on topic please. If u want answers ask him guys.

[IronTurkey]

I think you mean "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth right?" if u did not sorry.
No, I meant what I said. But, it's okay.
Vengeance does make people happy or it just makes me happy,
I like Kawaii Naruto, he's no longer PHP but I like him better,
Kawaii Naruto seems less friendly because he now has to lay down the law,
but I'll let him speak for himselfVengeance really makes you happy. Wow. That's sad. In order to feel good you need to harm someone just because they harmed you. I suppose that you feel that the proper response to the Holocaust was for the Jews to exterminate all Nazis. Or if some dude rapes your daughter, you should be able to rape his. Vengeance is a stupid response that just perpetuates hate, harm, and general human weakness. It is one of the dumbest and most easily avoidable actions.

On topic: War is silly and is a result of misunderstanding. The loss of lives is never justified and it would be better if when we had conflicts we'd make like the Indians and play Lacrosse.

[Pagsar]

No, I meant what I said. But, it's okay.
Vengeance really makes you happy. Wow. That's sad. In order to feel good you need to harm someone just because they harmed you. I suppose that you feel that the proper response to the Holocaust was for the Jews to exterminate all Nazis. Or if some dude rapes your daughter, you should be able to rape his. Vengeance is a stupid response that just perpetuates hate, harm, and general human weakness. It is one of the dumbest and most easily avoidable actions.

On topic: War is silly and is a result of misunderstanding. The loss of lives is never justified and it would be better if when we had conflicts we'd make like the Indians and play Lacrosse.
Dude did you say war was dumb. I believe that it's needed if you have peace u need war with out peace there is no war and vise versa. Wars are lead because of many things greed, ideal, believes and cultural difference. vengeance is normal to some but the thing is vengeance makes you no better than the person or people who caused you pain. So yeah that's what i think.

[Psycho Killer]

war and killing is part of human nature whether it's right or not it happens and nothing will change that

[Pagsar]

war and killing is part of human nature whether it's right or not it happens and nothing will change that

Okay but what u believe makes it justified or not not what come from a book homie.

[TheJWF]

No, I meant what I said. But, it's okay.
Vengeance really makes you happy. Wow. That's sad. In order to feel good you need to harm someone just because they harmed you. I suppose that you feel that the proper response to the Holocaust was for the Jews to exterminate all Nazis. Or if some dude rapes your daughter, you should be able to rape his. Vengeance is a stupid response that just perpetuates hate, harm, and general human weakness. It is one of the dumbest and most easily avoidable actions.

On topic: War is silly and is a result of misunderstanding. The loss of lives is never justified and it would be better if when we had conflicts we'd make like the Indians and play Lacrosse.

I bet anything you hate this
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll10/stazkin/Nuke2.jpgI love it
and no in german and damn proud of it, if war silly then why the hell doe's it work

[Pagsar]

I bet anything you hate this
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll10/stazkin/Nuke2.jpgI love it
and no in german and damn proud of it, if war silly then why the hell doe's it work

fear is hwy and i'm happy some one is proud of who they are and what there people have done to others.

[TheJWF]

and i'm happy some one is proud of who they are and what there people have done to others.

Thank you, that make's me happy

[IronTurkey]

I bet anything you hate this
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll10/stazkin/Nuke2.jpgI love it
and no im german and damn proud of it, if war silly then why the hell doe's it work

I'm perfectly fine with the atomic bomb. It has many benefits beyond the ability to kill. For example nuclear power is gained using technology developed for the bomb. It also serves as a deterrent against war which saves lives.

It doesn't matter if you're German, it's not relevant at all.

Why the hell indeed. Why are you so infatuated with killing? What good can come from killing other men who under different circumstances you might have bought a beer?

EDIT: Would you two please take the time to revise or look over your posts. There are sometimes misspellings that completely change the sentence. For example: "and no in German" or "fear is hwy". What does the second one even mean?

[TheJWF]

Why the hell indeed. Why are you so infatuated with killing? What good can come from killing other men who under different circumstances you might have bought a beer?

freedom

[Pagsar]

I'm perfectly fine with the atomic bomb. It has many benefits beyond the ability to kill. For example nuclear power is gained using technology developed for the bomb. It also serves as a deterrent against war which saves lives.

It doesn't matter if you're German, it's not relevant at all.

Why the hell indeed. Why are you so infatuated with killing? What good can come from killing other men who under different circumstances you might have bought a beer?

Teachnology we are dependent on it that's why we have become softer.

[Psycho Killer]

Okay but what u believe makes it justified or not not what come from a book homie.

if someone deserves to die then they die if all they do is cause suffering and pain then they die as for war it's only justified when a group of people threaten the rest of the world

[IronTurkey]

freedomKilling people is freedom. Are you joking? Well thanks Raskolnikov come talk to me after you've killed the old hag.

Teachnology we are dependent on it that's why we have become softer.What does this have to do with anything I've said, oh I don't know, ever?

if someone deserves to die then they die if all they do is cause suffering and pain then they die as for war it's only justified when a group of people threaten the rest of the worldEven the kill-everyone-guy makes more sense than you two.

[Pagsar]

Killing people is freedom. Are you joking? Well thanks Raskolnikov come talk to me after you've killed the old hag.

What does this have to do with anything I've said, oh I don't know, ever?

Even the kill-everyone-guy makes more sense than you two.

u whee giving credit for building the atomic bomb. That's what i had to say to it.

[TheJWF]

Killing people is freedom. Are you joking? Well thanks Raskolnikov come talk to me after you've killed the old hag.

you found a way to complane about that,
Dont put words in my mouth, I said
Killing is a way to freedom not killing is freedom
but I got to say it's nice to talk about this

[IronTurkey]

you found a way to complane about that,
Dont put words in my mouth, I said
Killing is a way to freedom not killing is freedom
but I got to say it's nice to talk about thisOkay semantics, but the statement and allusion to Raskolnikov stands.

u whee giving credit for building the atomic bomb. That's what i had to say to it.

I said the building of the atomic bomb had benefits besides killing and somehow you extrapolated that I was giving someone credit for something and somehow you decided that stating that Technology makes men weak was relevant.

I hope I'm not the only one that sees the flaws of this thought process.

Whatever,you guys trolled me hard. Congrats.

[Pagsar]

Okay semantics, but the statement and allusion to Raskolnikov stands.



I said the building of the atomic bomb had benefits besides killing and somehow you extrapolated that I was giving someone credit for something and somehow you decided that stating that Technology makes men weak was relevant.

I hope I'm not the only one that sees the flaws of this thought process.

Whatever,you guys trolled me hard. Congrats.

ohh srry i mean to say u where saying there where benefits to the atomic bomb. But i was saying not really all a pilot has to do is push a button and bomb there goes billions of life. It makes us weak because you are scared to have such a power. But Blood saves life.

[TheJWF]

But Blood saves life.

it doe's allot, right now we have a nuff atomic bombs to destory the world 6 or 8 times, if you ask me time to use them

[Pagsar]

it doe's allot, right now we have a nuff atomic bombs to destory the world 6 or 8 times, if you ask me time to use them

Dude the saying "With great power comes great responsibility" comes to mind

[TheJWF]

Dude the saying "With great power comes great responsibility" comes to mind

this is ture but NO, the responsibility would be to get rid of are enemys befor thay do us in

[Pagsar]

this is ture but NO, the responsibility would be to get rid of are enemys befor thay do us in

Mercy also come to mind dude and i think u might be a bit paranoid.

[TheJWF]

Mercy also come to mind dude and i think u might be a bit paranoid.

Thanks:D I get it from my dad, and what is this Mercy?

[Philosoraptor]

Do you think war can be justified as well as the killing of other people. I fell thast it can be justified as long as the intentions are to protect peace thast it. what do you think.

What? Did you say that war is ok if it is declared for the sake of peace? I assume that that just did not come out right.

[Naruto]

You know, I liked PHP better. He was more friendly, outgoing and helpful than Kawaii Naruto. I think it has to do with some sort of minor power trip, though I'd rather chalk it up to outside stresses.

Dude the saying "With great power comes great responsibility" comes to mind

I couldn't have said it better myself. As for the bold part, yes i'm experiencing some stress atm. Our economy is pretty much shattered into trillions of little pieces right now, and i'm not sure if i can keep my job.

As for the war part, do you think a soldier with a gun in his hand will show you mercy? Please don't be that deluded, please. There are a few soldiers with a heart. I hope i'll meet one like that someday.

Ask my grandfather if the soldier showed mercy towards his wife. They shot her just because she wanted some water to drink.

[Pagsar]

What? Did you say that war is ok if it is declared for the sake of peace? I assume that that just did not come out right.
Well yeah that came out right. I would rather loose blood if it's for a grater good in whihc people can belive in. AS long as the toguht of being good remains the same i agree. But if it goes to war something whent wrong but they have the right idea.
I couldn't have said it better myself. As for the bold part, yes i'm experiencing some stress atm. Our economy is pretty much shattered into trillions of little pieces right now, and i'm not sure if i can keep my job.

As for the war part, do you think a soldier with a gun in his hand will show you mercy? Please don't be that deluded, please. There are a few soldiers with a heart. I hope i'll meet one like that someday.

Ask my grandfather if the soldier showed mercy towards his wife. They shot her just because she wanted some water to drink.
Dude mercy can be shown. A soldier has to fallow orders and then after war is over he/she have to live with knowing what they did. They might not like it but they know they are killers. Mercy can be shown but, it's hard to do under the circumstances of war.

[Naruto]

Dude mercy can be shown. A soldier has to fallow orders and then after war is over he/she have to live with knowing what they did. They might not like it but they know they are killers. Mercy can be shown but, it's hard to do under the circumstances of war.

I agree with you to some extent. Mercy can be shown, but not during wartime.

[Pagsar]

I agree with you to some extent. Mercy can be shown, but not during wartime.

It can it just very hard to do most don't way to die a "traitor". It can be shown it's just hard to do.

[Naruto]

I'm glad to see we agree in something, though. Lmfao we allmost started a war among ourselves! XD

Now let's patiently wait for Tainted light O__O

[Pagsar]

I'm glad to see we agree in something, though. Lmfao we allmost started a war among ourselves! XD

Now let's patiently wait for Tainted light O__O

That's true anf the title for our war is The Almost Came to Be War lol.
It was nice to debate with you because it would have not been much fun right.

[TheJWF]

What? Did you say that war is ok if it is declared for the sake of peace? I assume that that just did not come out right.

well hell yeah, War is more then okay if it's for the sake of your country or peace

[Philosoraptor]

When the situation gets so bad that you have to declare war, you have already failed to protect peace. They are two opposite states of being. Declaring war to protect the status quo is different, but I believe that all conflicts can and should be resolved without armed conflict.

[Pagsar]

When the situation gets so bad that you have to declare war, you have already failed to protect peace. They are two opposite states of being. Declaring war to protect the status quo is different, but I believe that all conflicts can and should be resolved without armed conflict.

So um pure my friend. War is the last step in having failed after it it's destruction. yeas it would be better that people had no wars, or fights. Thing is we humans are still a weak life form so we are not advanced to live with out war.

[TheJWF]

Some people are more happy with war, War is not a FAIL, if anything sometimes it's a win, With out war we would not have the US

[Pagsar]

Some people are more happy with war, War is not a FAIL, if anything sometimes it's a win, With out war we would not have the US

Yes that's true but in the end the us did bad things to the Indians that where natives to this land. not only did the U.S take thee home but restricted them to certain lands. So war is good but it does have it's affects.

[TheJWF]

Yes that's true but in the end the us did bad things to the Indians that where natives to this land. not only did the U.S take thee home but restricted them to certain lands. So war is good but it does have it's affects.

Dont talk to me about it im part Indian, but the Indians saw that the war was going on for a time and know thay were not going to win, if thay did thay would have won a long time ago

[Pagsar]

Dont talk to me about it im part Indian, but the Indians saw that the war was going on for a time and know thay were not going to win, if thay did thay would have won a long time ago

It does not matter dude When people have power the seek to use it. So it could have turned out bad or better with out the war or if Britain won but what has been done has been done it cannot be changes.

[TheJWF]

It does not matter dude When people have power the seek to use it. So it could have turned out bad or better with out the war or if Britain won but what has been done has been done it cannot be changes.

yeah I know im just saying

[Naruto]

It does not matter dude When people have power the seek to use it. So it could have turned out bad or better with out the war or if Britain won but what has been done has been done it cannot be changes.

Wise words!

Changes are permanent. We can just try to make the best out if it, if a war occurs.

[Pagsar]

yeah I know im just saying

Wise words!
thank you
Changes are permanent. We can just try to make the best out if it, if a war occurs.
"We have to look forward to a new day no matter the loss we have received in the past and present" -Pagsar

[TheJWF]

http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff321/QuintAmity/Motivator-Farewell2.jpg
-The Doctor
that counts for something right?

[Pagsar]

http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff321/QuintAmity/Motivator-Farewell2.jpg
-The Doctor
that counts for something right?

i think it might not sure

[IronTurkey]

I couldn't have said it better myself. As for the bold part, yes i'm experiencing some stress atm. Our economy is pretty much shattered into trillions of little pieces right now, and i'm not sure if i can keep my job.

As for the war part, do you think a soldier with a gun in his hand will show you mercy? Please don't be that deluded, please. There are a few soldiers with a heart. I hope i'll meet one like that someday.

Ask my grandfather if the soldier showed mercy towards his wife. They shot her just because she wanted some water to drink.Haha okay.

Eh no, I guess most soldiers would fail to show mercy but that doesn't make killing anymore right.

And that's horrible what happened to your grandmother.

[TheJWF]

i think it might not sure

Just thoght I give my 2cents,
sorry of topic, and sorry about your grandfather Kaw-Nar

[Naruto]

It's all in the past i guess. I learned how to forgive that one soldier.
Maybe stress got to his head too, we don't know what happens in the head of someone who is literally forced to kill other human beings.

[TheJWF]

It's all in the past i guess. I learned how to forgive that one soldier.
Maybe stress got to his head too, we don't know what happens in the head of someone who is literally forced to kill other human beings.

I think that they said 150 days is how long befor a soldier went insane,
soldiers are teran to show no mercy so they could make a kill,
but that still does not make it right for what happen,
A story my dad told one time was his uncle or someone who was in the war
went around knocking out The dead japs gold teeth, not for the gold
more as revenge + he said he went a little insane, dad says he doe's not like to talk about the war much if at all.

[AngelKratos]

There never was a good war or a bad peace.

[Pagsar]

There never was a good war or a bad peace.

Okay thank you for reviving this and are you serious there was never a good war? and i can agree in the bad peace thing. There have been wars for good causes examples world war two. There is a perfect example of a good war for a good reason. What they did was inhumane especially there elimination methods. When the will of the people unite to defeat a common evil there is a good cause. A good reason to fight. Every one has the right to pursue their happiness every one.

[Sato]

Do you think war can be justified as well as the killing of other people. I fell thast it can be justified as long as the intentions are to protect peace thast it. what do you think.

You do understand that in killing people, you actually cause unrest for the future, right? No matter what, killing can never be justified. Think about it. The actual soldiers themselves did nothing but enroll, or get drafted, while the real person that caused all of the 'unrest is sitting in another way. There just needs to be understanding sometimes. We only understand our side to a story most of the time, while another person may have a good reason for doing things.

[Pagsar]

You do understand that in killing people, you actually cause unrest for the future, right? No matter what, killing can never be justified. Think about it. The actual soldiers themselves did nothing but enroll, or get drafted, while the real person that caused all of the 'unrest is sitting in another way. There just needs to be understanding sometimes. We only understand our side to a story most of the time, while another person may have a good reason for doing things.

Okay have u read the past pages? If you have not you should. If you have then i will validate your statement. However if you have not your being a bit ignorant. Other people have said wise words my friend. I feel the person who i can only can see coming in here and reeving this is Naruto. He is pretty good. I enjoyed debating with him last time. So please try to read the past pages before you say anything.

[earwasere]

Regardless of whether war is justifiable or not it is inevitable. As long as two things persist, war will continue. These things are power and disagreement. In the natural world – of which humanity, however much they deny it, are a part – different members of a species will be naturally more predisposed to rising into power than others: be this due to intelligence, integrity, or even physical strength. Also due to the uncertainty of virtually all aspects of life, people are bound to differ on almost everything. Especially as whatever one person wants is almost guaranteed to take away from another, however good their intentions are. If these differences are contentious enough and are found between those who possess power, then war is the most likely outcome. Unfortunately this is the world in which we live, and whether we condone it or not, war and thus death are inevitable.

[Pagsar]

Regardless of whether war is justifiable or not it is inevitable. As long as two things persist, war will continue. These things are power and disagreement. In the natural world – of which humanity, however much they deny it, are a part – different members of a species will be naturally more predisposed to rising into power than others: be this due to intelligence, integrity, or even physical strength. Also due to the uncertainty of virtually all aspects of life, people are bound to differ on almost everything. Especially as whatever one person wants is almost guaranteed to take away from another, however good their intentions are. If these differences are contentious enough and are found between those who possess power, then war is the most likely outcome. Unfortunately this is the world in which we live, and whether we condone it or not, war and thus death are inevitable.

Okay once again i know i did not telly you this. Did you read at least the first page or first two pages? If not you should what if someone said something similar to what you said? Please read a few pages of the thread before you post.

[earwasere]

Okay once again i know i did not telly you this. Did you read at least the first page or first two pages? If not you should what if someone said something similar to what you said? Please read a few pages of the thread before you post.

I had in fact read the last five pages, some of my points were similar to some other people's points but some of mine were also original and they would not have made as much sense without mentioning the others. When I post on a thread I don't just say whatever I want regardless of repetition or spamming, I read what other people have said and add my own opinion based on theirs, if I feel that it differs by a considerable amount or that it embellishes and connects previously mentioned ideas, as well as adding my own.

[Pagsar]

I had in fact read the last five pages, some of my points were similar to some other people's points but some of mine were also original and they would not have made as much sense without mentioning the others. When I post on a thread I don't just say whatever I want regardless of repetition or spamming, I read what other people have said and add my own opinion based on theirs, if I feel that it differs by a considerable amount or that it embellishes and connects previously mentioned ideas, as well as adding my own.


Okay i was juts saying cause everything you said summarized what people before you posted. You just added your thoughts to that summary. So yeah thank you for posting your opinion.

[Sato]

Okay have u read the past pages? If you have not you should. If you have then i will validate your statement. However if you have not your being a bit ignorant. Other people have said wise words my friend. I feel the person who i can only can see coming in here and reeving this is Naruto. He is pretty good. I enjoyed debating with him last time. So please try to read the past pages before you say anything.

Wow. I forgot about this thread.

Anyways, I read the pages before I posted. I always do. But it seems that I didn't word my opinion correctly. Basically I was just saying killing can never be justified even if its for peace because someone is going to want revenge. Matter of fact, I don't know how to word it differently from anyone else here. Consider this convo done.

Note: I would rather you not call me ignorant. It's fairly rude and disrespectful and I wasn't that way towards you.

[Lord_Aquanite]

yes, they risk their lives to protect this country.

[Sato]

yes, they risk their lives to protect this country.

This country doesn't even really need protection.*USA*(Other than terrorist attacks really.) I mean, seriously. When was the last war fought here on American soil?(If you're talking about America that is.) I'll tell you. The Civil War which lasted about 4-5 years.(1861-1865 if I'm correct.)

[Takken]

Killing can never be justified, no matter how hard we try (humans at least).

My opinion is that once humans remain alive on this planet, war will be constant.

[The Humanist]

This country doesn't even really need protection.*USA*(Other than terrorist attacks really.) I mean, seriously. When was the last war fought here on American soil?(If you're talking about America that is.) I'll tell you. The Civil War which lasted about 4-5 years.(1861-1865 if I'm correct.)

Well, that's not entirely true. Do you consider the attack on Pearl Harbor a terrorist attack? Because that was a 'battle' on American soil.

Regardless, of course this country needs protection. The only reason we haven't had a war on American soil in all that time is because of the protection rendered by our extremely competent military.

[Sato]

Well, that's not entirely true. Do you consider the attack on Pearl Harbor a terrorist attack? Because that was a 'battle' on American soil.

Regardless, of course this country needs protection. The only reason we haven't had a war on American soil in all that time is because of the protection rendered by our extremely competent military.

Oh yeah, forgot about that. I mean, I was talking about a full fledged war here(Reason for you specifically saying battle obviously), but I guess you could cinsider that a close to the same thing.

But, then again, it possibly could be, seeing as they did actually send them messages saying they would attack Pearl Harbor(Same thing happened in 9/11). I guess it just depends on your point of view, huh.