Madara's Plan Impossible?

[Matsumoto]

So Madara has his Mooneye Plan, by which he will piece back together the chakra of the juubi and restore it. Then he will seal the juubi within himself, thereby gaining massive power. He will then use that power to reflect his eyes on the moon and perform the ultimate genjutsu on the world.

Just one problem, isn't the moon the juubi's now empty body? And won't he need the body in order to bring back the juubi? He is going to need something to put the fused chakra into afterall. And if he brings the moon (the body) down to revive the juubi, what is he going to reflect his eyes onto? Unless that thing the are putting all the bijuu in is capable of holding the chakra and fusing it, and then holding the resulting combination of chakra.

Did anyone else notice this? Does anyone else have thoughts on this?

[ULTIMATE SORA]

So Madara has his Mooneye Plan, by which he will piece back together the chakra of the juubi and restore it. Then he will seal the juubi within himself, thereby gaining massive power. He will then use that power to reflect his eyes on the moon and perform the ultimate genjutsu on the world.

Just one problem, isn't the moon the juubi's now empty body? And won't he need the body in order to bring back the juubi? He is going to need something to put the fused chakra into afterall. And if he brings the moon (the body) down to revive the juubi, what is he going to reflect his eyes onto? Unless that thing the are putting all the bijuu in is capable of holding the chakra and fusing it, and then holding the resulting combination of chakra.

Did anyone else notice this? Does anyone else have thoughts on this?

I did but id suspect that the statue is able to hold the power of the Juubi.

[Matsumoto]

I did but id suspect that the statue is able to hold the power of the Juubi.

I don't know if it was even made for that. Didn't Nagato make it/summon it randomly during his battle with Hanzo? And the juubi is supposed to (or according to Madara anyways) great power. So great that the Sage was forced to seal him into his body.

[ULTIMATE SORA]

I don't know if it was even made for that. Didn't Nagato make it/summon it randomly during his battle with Hanzo? And the juubi is supposed to (or according to Madara anyways) great power. So great that the Sage was forced to seal him into his body.

Which might mean why they had a Staue that can have Chakra sealed in it.

[Dipset077]

So Madara has his Mooneye Plan, by which he will piece back together the chakra of the juubi and restore it. Then he will seal the juubi within himself, thereby gaining massive power. He will then use that power to reflect his eyes on the moon and perform the ultimate genjutsu on the world.

Just one problem, isn't the moon the juubi's now empty body? And won't he need the body in order to bring back the juubi? He is going to need something to put the fused chakra into afterall. And if he brings the moon (the body) down to revive the juubi, what is he going to reflect his eyes onto? Unless that thing the are putting all the bijuu in is capable of holding the chakra and fusing it, and then holding the resulting combination of chakra.

Did anyone else notice this? Does anyone else have thoughts on this?

This is good; I never actually thought of this.

Kishi might not've noticed this, but I'm guessing since Madara can somehow tell exactly where people are, he can locate the juubi's body and then teleport the body down to earth or into his little dimension.

Or it could be what Sora suggested. Any way, this was a very good catch.
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[Matsumoto]

This is good; I never actually thought of this.

Kishi might not've noticed this, but I'm guessing since Madara can somehow tell exactly where people are, he can locate the juubi's body and then teleport the body down to earth or into his little dimension.

Or it could be what Sora suggested. Any way, this was a very good catch.
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Thanks.

But Madara, like everyone else, should be able to find his body without a problem because it is the moon. The problem is that once the body is on Earth, there will no longer be a moon, and Madara then won't be able to project his eyes on it, because it won't be there. (I apologize if you got that and I am just repeating myself to you lol)

[Dipset077]

Thanks.

But Madara, like everyone else, should be able to find his body without a problem because it is the moon. The problem is that once the body is on Earth, there will no longer be a moon, and Madara then won't be able to project his eyes on it, because it won't be there. (I apologize if you got that and I am just repeating myself to you lol)


lol You cool

:confused:
I don't get it.

I'm saying he could teleport the body down from its resting place inside the moon. Then the moon would still be there and he would have the body.
The reason he doesn't do it now is because 1. He doesn't have all the bijuu and 2. It's safe where it is because no one but him has access to it.

I think you're saying he's gonna somehow "get" the moon and put it on earth, find the body, teleport it to where Gedo is so he can fill it with chakra. Am I right?

[hollow11]

i agree with with ~matsumoto~

[Shinobi Sasuke]

Thanks.

But Madara, like everyone else, should be able to find his body without a problem because it is the moon. The problem is that once the body is on Earth, there will no longer be a moon, and Madara then won't be able to project his eyes on it, because it won't be there. (I apologize if you got that and I am just repeating myself to you lol)

He'll probably use a space time jutsu or create a moon when he gets the rinnegan from sealing the juubi inside of him.

[Matsumoto]

lol You cool

:confused:
I don't get it.

I'm saying he could teleport the body down from its resting place inside the moon. Then the moon would still be there and he would have the body.
The reason he doesn't do it now is because 1. He doesn't have all the bijuu and 2. It's safe where it is because no one but him has access to it.

I think you're saying he's gonna somehow "get" the moon and put it on earth, find the body, teleport it to where Gedo is so he can fill it with chakra. Am I right?

You're getting there lol. Madara said that the moon is the juubi's body. The entire moon. So if he needs the body, he has to take the moon because it is the juubi (just without the chakra).

He'll probably use a space time jutsu or create a moon when he gets the rinnegan from sealing the juubi inside of him.

He could, but we don't know if he will get the Rinnegan. The Sage did, but who knows if it will happen again. He might not get it because he already has a doujutsu. But yeah, he will probably get it. If he manages to succeed anyways lol.

[Dipset077]

You're getting there lol. Madara said that the moon is the juubi's body. The entire moon. So if he needs the body, he has to take the moon because it is the juubi (just without the chakra).

No. That's false. The entire moon is not the Juubi's body. Proof: Nagato said that the Rikudo Sage made the moon using the tech known as Chibaku Tensei:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/439/08/

This is where you probably got confused at:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/467/15-16/

The Juubi's body didn't become the moon; the rocks that Chibaku Tensei gathered around the Juubi's body along with the Juubi's body became the moon.

You get me?

[Matsumoto]

No. That's false. The entire moon is not the Juubi's body. Proof: Nagato said that the Rikudo Sage made the moon using the tech known as Chibaku Tensei:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/439/08/

This is where you probably got confused at:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/467/15-16/

The Juubi's body didn't become the moon; the rocks that Chibaku Tensei gathered around the Juubi's body along with the Juubi's body became the moon.

You get me?

Ah, I get it now. Lol, sorry about that :laugh:

[Shinobi Sasuke]

He could, but we don't know if he will get the Rinnegan. The Sage did, but who knows if it will happen again. He might not get it because he already has a doujutsu. But yeah, he will probably get it. If he manages to succeed anyways lol.

It said that when the rinnegan is sealed inside of him he can use its rinnegan powers.

[Matsumoto]

It said that when the sharingan is sealed inside of him he can use its rinnegan powers.

Doesn't he already have the Sharingan?

[Dipset077]

Ah, I get it now. Lol, sorry about that :laugh:

Naw you cool lol itz still a good theory

[Shinobi Sasuke]

Tthis is for that luz turtle dummy so get your facts straight if he has the juubi in him hes gonna get its eyes and chakra.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/467/15-16/

[Matsumoto]

Naw you cool lol itz still a good theory

Thans. Lol, I guess I never tied the ball Nagato made to what he was saying about the Sage. And Madara didn't help when he said it became the moon lol. That didn't help at all:laugh:

[Demonic Heart]

the most logical thing i have heard so far to answering the threads question would be what someone said about the statue the currently holds 7 of the bijuus powers.

[The Godfather]

I don't really get what type of Genjutsu Madara would then influence the whole world with. Madara said:
I will control everyone with my illusion and the world will become one. A world without ill will or strife. That is my Moon's Eye plan.
What does he get out of this? World domination? If so, then Kishi shot himself in the leg. World Domination is so overrated and overused.

[d assassain]

i did notice this but i didnt find it to be much of a problem. i kinda just assumed that the jubi's chakra's would form into a solid body. you may say this is impossible but it really isnt. when naruto began to turn into the nine tailed fox with his fight with nagato, he had gained the full size of the fox, but from where. even before that, when he had six tails, naruto had like a skeltal structure forming around him. i had always just assumed a body would just appear.

[tylertag238]

i agree i think he going to do it but he going to get stop or be killed who knows

[ShodaimeAizen]

[QUOTE=EsPaDa#1 StArK;704333]Tthis is for that luz turtle dummy so get your facts straight if he has the juubi in him hes gonna get its eyes and chakra.
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Ok, I just have one problem, you're telling other people to get their facts straight, but you do not have yours. In the page that you are referencing Madara says that sealing the jubi in his own body will give him inhuman power, so yes that covers the chakra, but he says that it will "strengthen" his eyes, not give him the rinnegan. He is saying it will strengthen the power of his Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan so that he will gain access to the power to project his eyes on the moon to cast a genjutsu on the world.

So before you ever tell someone to get their facts straight and pull actual manga pages, make damn sure what you are sayin is actually supported in the pages you're pulling.

[bullywtf]

cant be done.. only half of the nine-tails was sealed, wouldnt he need the full nine-tails to summon it from the moon?

[ShodaimeAizen]

cant be done.. only half of the nine-tails was sealed, wouldnt he need the full nine-tails to summon it from the moon?

are you saying that only half of the nine-tails is sealed in Naruto?? If you are I would believe you are mistakin. The whole arc about Sora also being a jinchuriki for the nine-tails in the anime, was nothing more than a filler. Nothing factual at all. I sincerly believe that the nine-tails in entirety is sealed in Naruto's body.

[bullywtf]

are you saying that only half of the nine-tails is sealed in Naruto?? If you are I would believe you are mistakin. The whole arc about Sora also being a jinchuriki for the nine-tails in the anime, was nothing more than a filler. Nothing factual at all. I sincerly believe that the nine-tails in entirety is sealed in Naruto's body.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/440/08/ he said he sealed half of it.

[Tsuna]

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/440/08/ he said he sealed half of it.

The other half is inside the fourth

[ShodaimeAizen]

he said he sealed half of it.

oh, yea thats right, sorry forgot about that bit, my mistake.

[Kengen]

i did notice this but i didnt find it to be much of a problem. i kinda just assumed that the jubi's chakra's would form into a solid body. you may say this is impossible but it really isnt. when naruto began to turn into the nine tailed fox with his fight with nagato, he had gained the full size of the fox, but from where. even before that, when he had six tails, naruto had like a skeltal structure forming around him. i had always just assumed a body would just appear.

I believe that the Jinchiriki take on the form of the bijuu and that even the skeleton is a part of them or the bijuu's chakra in a solid form. I do not think that the Juubi will create a second body, I believe that it will need its original body in order to be fully revived.

Ok, I just have one problem, you're telling other people to get their facts straight, but you do not have yours. In the page that you are referencing Madara says that sealing the jubi in his own body will give him inhuman power, so yes that covers the chakra, but he says that it will "strengthen" his eyes, not give him the rinnegan. He is saying it will strengthen the power of his Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan so that he will gain access to the power to project his eyes on the moon to cast a genjutsu on the world.

So before you ever tell someone to get their facts straight and pull actual manga pages, make damn sure what you are sayin is actually supported in the pages you're pulling.

Madara never actually mention the Juubi strengthening his Eternal Mangekyo, he only said that it would strengthen his eyes. We do not even know the powers that the EMS givers the bearer as it has yet to be revealed in the manga.

The other half is inside the fourth

Why do you think that it is in Minato? And if it was, it would be gone forever and Madara's plan would be utterly futile.

[ShodaimeAizen]

I believe that the Jinchiriki take on the form of the bijuu and that even the skeleton is a part of them or the bijuu's chakra in a solid form. I do not think that the Juubi will create a second body, I believe that it will need its original body in order to be fully revived.

It could be possible that when he seals all of the biju chakras away, he may just seal the chakras all at once into himself without the jubi ever needing a body, don't know how he would do it, just a thought.

Madara never actually mention the Juubi strengthening his Eternal Mangekyo, he only said that it would strengthen his eyes. We do not even know the powers that the EMS givers the bearer as it has yet to be revealed in the manga..

I said that Madara said it would strengthen his eyes, and considering his eyes have the EMS, through the distributive property it would strengthen his EMS.

Why do you think that it is in Minato? And if it was, it would be gone forever and Madara's plan would be utterly futile.

Yea that would ruin a good amount, perhaps madara already has the other portion of the kyuubi in himself, which could perhaps explain how he has survived for so long.

[Kengen]

1. It could be possible that when he seals all of the biju chakras away, he may just seal the chakras all at once into himself without the jubi ever needing a body, don't know how he would do it, just a thought.

2. I said that Madara said it would strengthen his eyes, and considering his eyes have the EMS, through the distributive property it would strengthen his EMS.

3. Yea that would ruin a good amount, perhaps madara already has the other portion of the kyuubi in himself, which could perhaps explain how he has survived for so long.

1. While it is possible, I personally think that the Juubi needs some sort of container in which all of its split chakra can be refused. Gedo Mazo appears to be good for storage, but seeing as all the bijuu are sealed into separate eyes, that they need to be put into something in which they would be all together with nothing separating them. Thus the need for its body.

2. Not necessarily. It might only strengthen one aspect of his eyes, or only up to a certain stage. Or might could be possible that he is unable to use his Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan, and needs his eyes strengthened before he is able to use it again.

3. I don't think that the Kyuubi is a very good choice for trying to extend one's life. I believe it was said that using the Kyuubi's chakra would eventually kill Naruto because of its nature and effect on the body, but I will have to check on that. Either way, I don't think that the chakra of a bijuu can extend a person's lifespan.

[ShodaimeAizen]

1. While it is possible, I personally think that the Juubi needs some sort of container in which all of its split chakra can be refused. Gedo Mazo appears to be good for storage, but seeing as all the bijuu are sealed into separate eyes, that they need to be put into something in which they would be all together with nothing separating them. Thus the need for its body.

2. Not necessarily. It might only strengthen one aspect of his eyes, or only up to a certain stage. Or might could be possible that he is unable to use his Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan, and needs his eyes strengthened before he is able to use it again.

3. I don't think that the Kyuubi is a very good choice for trying to extend one's life. I believe it was said that using the Kyuubi's chakra would eventually kill Naruto because of its nature and effect on the body, but I will have to check on that. Either way, I don't think that the chakra of a bijuu can extend a person's lifespan.

1. I'm not sure that the chakras remain separate inside of Gedo Mazo, it just opens an eye when a new bijuu is sealed, they aren't necessarily sealed into the separate eyes, but if so, Madara's body could be the one used for the combining of those chakra's, even though it would be doubtful that a shinobi's body could handle that kinda pressure.

2. Considering he said once it did strengthen his eyes he would then be able to cast Mugen Tsukoyomi, he didn't have that power before when he had EMS (redardless of if he can still use EMS) so therefore it would have to strengthen his EMS as well to use that jutsu.

3. Yea I think they did say something like that, but in regards to Naruto, who can not fully control the Kyuubi(half of it by the way, not even the full amount). If Madara who could control Kyuubi in whole might be able to do more as a host with it.

[Kengen]

1. I'm not sure that the chakra's remain separate inside of Gedo Mazo, it just opens an eye when a new bijuu is sealed, they aren't necessarily sealed into the separate eyes, but if so, Madara's body could be the one used for the combining of those chakra's, even though it would be doubtful that a shinobi's body could handle that kinda pressure.

2. Considering he said once it did strengthen his eyes he would then be able to cast Mugen Tsukoyomi, he didn't have that power before when he had EMS (regardless of if he can still use EMS) so therefore it would have to strengthen his EMS as well to use that jutsu.

3. Yea I think they did say something like that, but in regards to Naruto, who can not fully control the Kyuubi(half of it by the way, not even the full amount). If Madara who could control Kyuubi in whole might be able to do more as a host with it.

1. We probably will never know how they are stored in there. But you could be right. And I definitely agree with a shinobi's body being to weak to handle it.

2. But isn't Tsukuyomi an ability of the normal Mangekyo Sharingan? And like other techniques, the more powerful it is, the more power it takes. For example the Shadow Clone jutsu requires much more chakra than the Clone Jutsu. So the Mugen Tsukuyomi would just be an upgrade of the Tsukuyomi that needs more power to be able to bring it to bear.

3. I am more prone to agree with Madara being able to do something if he had all of the Kyuubi's chakra rather than the half you said earlier. Half of the chakra just seems like too little power.

[ShodaimeAizen]

1. We probably will never know how they are stored in there. But you could be right. And I definitely agree with a shinobi's body being to weak to handle it.

2. But isn't Tsukuyomi an ability of the normal Mangekyo Sharingan? And like other techniques, the more powerful it is, the more power it takes. For example the Shadow Clone jutsu requires much more chakra than the Clone Jutsu. So the Mugen Tsukuyomi would just be an upgrade of the Tsukuyomi that needs more power to be able to bring it to bear.

3. I am more prone to agree with Madara being able to do something if he had all of the Kyuubi's chakra rather than the half you said earlier. Half of the chakra just seems like too little power.

1. Yea, I would have to research it more.

2. Yes, it is. But seeing as how Madara has gained the EMS I don't believe he would even be able to activate a regular Mangekyo, I think it would either be the three tomoe, or the EMS no in between. Just like once you gain the three tomoe you don't ever activate the two tomoe again. Kinda like an all or nothing type deal.

3. If he had all of it then hell yea, no doubt. But Naruto's powers are boosted significantly by his half, so I don't see why Madara wouldn't be able to use half of the Kyuubi's chakra for specifically that use, and nothing more, just concentrate it all on that. Just a thought tho.

[Kengen]

1. Yea, I would have to research it more.

2. Yes, it is. But seeing as how Madara has gained the EMS I don't believe he would even be able to activate a regular Mangekyo, I think it would either be the three tomoe, or the EMS no in between. Just like once you gain the three tomoe you don't ever activate the two tomoe again. Kinda like an all or nothing type deal.

3. If he had all of it then hell yea, no doubt. But Naruto's powers are boosted significantly by his half, so I don't see why Madara wouldn't be able to use half of the Kyuubi's chakra for specifically that use, and nothing more, just concentrate it all on that. Just a thought tho.

2. I had not thought of it like that. So now I see two possibilities concerning the Sharingan, the one you just said, and this: the Eternal Mangekyo could be the same exact thing as the Mangekyo Sharingan, but with more powers in them and a never failing eyesight.

3. It is a possibility.

[ShodaimeAizen]

Yea, it's all possible, now we just wait for the evidence lol.

[Kengen]

Yea, it's all possible, now we just wait for the evidence lol.

Oh the ever fun game of waiting :laugh:

[dbrockz_95]

well, i never thought that way.
'Cuz i thought that the gedo mazo would be able to contain the chakra of the tailed beasts. My question is that how can madara summon the gedo mazo? And how'll he be able to seal ther beasts now? How'll he make up for the members that they already lost?

[Kengen]

well, i never thought that way.
'Cuz i thought that the gedo mazo would be able to contain the chakra of the tailed beasts. My question is that how can madara summon the gedo mazo? And how'll he be able to seal ther beasts now? How'll he make up for the members that they already lost?

Gedo Mazo is holding the bijuu, and Madara does not need to summon it because Nagato already has. The question Matsumoto raised is how Madara will get the body of the Juubi from the moon (he also thought the body itself was the moon, but that is another matter).