Reasonable Hacks

[Lord Ikimichi]

So last night I was taking a shit and I started thinking that Sasuke's hacks are indeed necessary. Why the hell would I say this? Well there are a couple of reasons for my madness.

First of all Sasuke has to keep up with Naruto. Naruto is the main character so we get the luxury of actually seeing him training unlike the main character of another series *cough* bleach 8cough*. With all that has happened and Sasuke's unrelenting will to get even, he hasn't had time to train so how does he get stronger? It's the hacks. After Naruto defeated Pain he showed glimpses of a kyuubi sage mode. I have no doubt he will master this at some point and Sasuke' is gonna need anything Kishi invents to handle it.

Secondly, compared to what others faced with Madara and Itachi Sasuke isn't that bad. We are mad at Sasuke but the first had to face Madara with all those techniques plus whatever else the "full powered" madara had. They used their techniques to terrorize people and Sasuke is using his to survive. For most of the battle he has been on the defensive. The only person he was effective on was a Jounin and his genjutsu didn't even last that long. When Itachi used his he put Kakashi out for a week and made deidara pee his f*ckin pants.

Even with all the help Sasuke has gotten I'm giving him a bit of a break because it is a daunting task for anyone to keep up with Naruto.

[Killerbee]

I agree to an extent i dont mind sasuke having hacks its just how it happens for example sasuke was fighting two kages raikage and kazekage but he brings out gay susanno all of a sudden. idk sasuke is indeed a great shinobi but its a little unbelievable how its working out for him his hacks are wayyyyyy to powerful

[RavenArchangel]

Real classy opening to the theory first of all. (scarred for life) and yes, I've been saying this myself. Sasuke's hax are so that he's a good rival for Naruto, who trains to get his powers, plus its the ultimate opposite to Naruto, and Kishi wants them to be opposites. I've been over this, tho it'd take time to find where I said it last...and yes, Madara is more skilled then he is. How I see it, the only source of Hax Sasuke has is his MS. (Almost put MSN O.o) but in any case, he WAS on the defensive..that is until his time to kill Itachi (failed as he died on his own lolz) and especially not in the Kage meeting, where he's trying to kill Danzo. Sure he's on the defensive against Kage, but are they not also fighting him due to HIS invading?

[Killerbee]

So last night I was taking a shit and I started thinking that Sasuke's hacks are indeed necessary. Why the hell would I say this? Well there are a couple of reasons for my madness.

First of all Sasuke has to keep up with Naruto. Naruto is the main character so we get the luxury of actually seeing him training unlike the main character of another series *cough* bleach 8cough*. With all that has happened and Sasuke's unrelenting will to get even, he hasn't had time to train so how does he get stronger? It's the hacks. After Naruto defeated Pain he showed glimpses of a kyuubi sage mode. I have no doubt he will master this at some point and Sasuke' is gonna need anything Kishi invents to handle it.

Secondly, compared to what others faced with Madara and Itachi Sasuke isn't that bad. We are mad at Sasuke but the first had to face Madara with all those techniques plus whatever else the "full powered" madara had. They used their techniques to terrorize people and Sasuke is using his to survive. For most of the battle he has been on the defensive. The only person he was effective on was a Jounin and his genjutsu didn't even last that long. When Itachi used his he put Kakashi out for a week and made deidara pee his f*ckin pants.

Even with all the help Sasuke has gotten I'm giving him a bit of a break because it is a daunting task for anyone to keep up with Naruto.

sasuke is using it for defense at the moment but remeber he went to the kage summit for revenge against danzou hes using his hacks to survive because hes getting owned honestly sasuke should have been wayyyyyy out of chakra by now he has used Amaretsu twice Tsukiyomi Once and Raikiri like three times i remeber itachi could only use Tsukiyomi twice before getting tired idk sasuke has like unlimited chakra now and now hes going to might the mizukage lol ahhhh poor sasuke

[Lord Ikimichi]

Real classy opening to the theory first of all. (scarred for life) and yes, I've been saying this myself. Sasuke's hax are so that he's a good rival for Naruto, who trains to get his powers, plus its the ultimate opposite to Naruto, and Kishi wants them to be opposites. I've been over this, tho it'd take time to find where I said it last...and yes, Madara is more skilled then he is. How I see it, the only source of Hax Sasuke has is his MS. (Almost put MSN O.o) but in any case, he WAS on the defensive..that is until his time to kill Itachi (failed as he died on his own lolz) and especially not in the Kage meeting, where he's trying to kill Danzo. Sure he's on the defensive against Kage, but are they not also fighting him due to HIS invading?


He did invade the meeting but Raikage went after him and had Sasuke on the defensive in the battle. Sasuke only attacked Samurai and Jounin. raikage's injuries are from a defensive Ameratsu. Susanoo was summoned to stop 4 attacks. He doesn't even want to fight Mizukage. She won't let him leave. His goal is Danzo like you said but he keeps getting attacked looking for him. But that's what happens when you intrude on serious business. lol

[WarAngel]

What I hate is that these guys are like 16 years old (Naruto and Sasuke) and yet they are more, or as, powerful than a Kage. Where as every other regular ninja doesn't seem to get that kind of power till they are at least in their mid-twenties?

Also, I don't have a problem with Sasuke pulling out jutsus out of nowhere; its that he can keep on using them, and have the chakra supply of Naruto who has the 9-Tails as an endless source of chakra.

[Lord Ikimichi]

What I hate is that these guys are like 16 years old (Naruto and Sasuke) and yet they are more, or as, powerful than a Kage. Where as every other regular ninja doesn't seem to get that kind of power till they are at least in their mid-twenties?

Also, I don't have a problem with Sasuke pulling out jutsus out of nowhere; its that he can keep on using them, and have the chakra supply of Naruto who has the 9-Tails as an endless source of chakra.

I don't think that age is an issue. The Mizukae is young herself. Remember in the Zabuza arc kakashi said that some people are just advanced. He said there were a number of nijas haku's age that were much more skilled than he. Some people just have a nack for the ninja way and take it up easily. Also don't forget that each generation surpasses the next in this series so its inevitable that younger people would be powerful

[LvDisturbed1]

I too remember the glimpse of the Kyuubi-sage mode. I believe Kishi would not have shown us that if it were not significant. I think this also foreshadows Naruto learning to control the Kyuubi to some extent, as he would need to keep all that chakra in balance to keep from turning into a toad. Also, it was briefly shown that Naruto was trying to learn to gather natural energy while moving.

http://manga.saiyanisland.com/Naruto/427/4

It was stated that training like that had never been attempted before. Naruto was successful in gathering natural energy so it would seem, but failed to keep the balance required. Maybe its possible after all...

[RavenArchangel]

Not to mention Itachi wiped out his own clan at 13 years old..

Reasonable Hax is Reasonable.

[dbrockz_95]

I think i agree to your theory to quite some point. I mean he also needs to get stronger, he just can't see Naruto go to the top and remain far behind him. That wouldn't actually be fun to watch either. But isn't he going a litlle overboard?

[Lord Ikimichi]

I think i agree to your theory to quite some point. I mean he also needs to get stronger, he just can't see Naruto go to the top and remain far behind him. That wouldn't actually be fun to watch either. But isn't he going a litlle overboard?

yea essentially their roles have been changed in shippunden. Originally Naruto was always trying to keep up with Sasuke and now it's the other way around. Sasuke needs his hacks to try and keep pace with Naruto's amazing growth.

[Acka]

The series is called Naruto, we follow him on his adventure, it's not called Sasuke.
People always complain that Sasuke gets the huge power ups out of nowhere, all his power ups have reasoning, i.e his strength/speed he gained from his intense training using drugs with Orochimaru, Mangekyou, of course he was going to awaken it, etc. etc. Just because we didn't follow him throughout his training doesn't mean its unfair or whatever.

[Lord Ikimichi]

The series is called Naruto, we follow him on his adventure, it's not called Sasuke.
People always complain that Sasuke gets the huge power ups out of nowhere, all his power ups have reasoning, i.e his strength/speed he gained from his intense training using drugs with Orochimaru, Mangekyou, of course he was going to awaken it, etc. etc. Just because we didn't follow him throughout his training doesn't mean its unfair or whatever.

Really? What has shippunden been about for the most part? Finding Sasuke. Point blank that's it. Why has Naruto been training? Why did Itachi join Akaktsuki? Why is the kage meeting in chaos? Sasuke. How dare you say his power ups have reasoning. The whole reason people are b8tching is because they have none.

The power he is showing now has nothing to do with Orochimaru. He did not train his MS at all in shippunden. He just miraculously knows how to use all its techniques and had a chakra boost without training.

The only point of this thread was to say that these hacks and unexplained power ups are necessary for Sasuke to stay on par with Naruto. By no means have we said they had reasoning. If they did no one would complain about it.

[Acka]

Really? What has shippunden been about for the most part? Finding Sasuke. Point blank that's it. Why has Naruto been training? Why did Itachi join Akaktsuki? Why is the kage meeting in chaos? Sasuke. How dare you say his power ups have reasoning. The whole reason people are b8tching is because they have none.

The power he is showing now has nothing to do with Orochimaru. He did not train his MS at all in shippunden. He just miraculously knows how to use all its techniques and had a chakra boost without training.

The only point of this thread was to say that these hacks and unexplained power ups are necessary for Sasuke to stay on par with Naruto. By no means have we said they had reasoning. If they did no one would complain about it.

But all the same can be said about Kakashi, yet no one questions his power ups.

[Flash]

But all the same can be said about Kakashi, yet no one questions his power ups.

lol are you sulking about his MS ? Because that is the only 'power up' i can think of. With that being said, i think that's the only boost he had in Shippuden.

Kakashi never had any hack(s) worth bi3hin mate.

[Lord Ikimichi]

But all the same can be said about Kakashi, yet no one questions his power ups.

Seriously? Did you forget that Tsundae gave Kakashi the same time Naruto was away to train? That was 2 and a half years of pure hardcore training bro. With kakshi's genius and skill ALL of his moves were earned. Why do you think no one has ever complained about Kakashi? It's because he actually trained and for a long time.

Don't pull stuff out of your ass because you can support your points.

[Bob Jones]

I too remember the glimpse of the Kyuubi-sage mode. I believe Kishi would not have shown us that if it were not significant. I think this also foreshadows Naruto learning to control the Kyuubi to some extent, as he would need to keep all that chakra in balance to keep from turning into a toad. Also, it was briefly shown that Naruto was trying to learn to gather natural energy while moving.


It was stated that training like that had never been attempted before. Naruto was successful in gathering natural energy so it would seem, but failed to keep the balance required. Maybe its possible after all...

He abandoned that training though. The reason why he wanted to gather sage energy while moving is because that's the only downside to sage mode, you have to stay still to gather the energy.

He already countered this downside by training to be able to gather sage mode chakra with his shadow clones. That way, he can fight while they stay still.

On topic, Sauske already has a huge advantage over Naruto, and that is the Sharingan. One of the original purposes of the Sharingan was specifically to control the 9-tailed fox. So right there, Naruto looses one of his advantages. If they were to fight again it would be a battle of sage mode vs. whatever insane level of Sharingan Sauske manages to pull.

But, if past fights count for anything, it took someone as strong as Pain to beat Jiraya in Sage mode, and Naruto is arguably better with Sage mode than Jiraya was (but not just because he was able to defeat Pain, because Naruto both knew Pain's secrets, and fought him while he was weak, so that's an unfair comparison).

Besides, gen jutsu has never really been a strong point for Naruto, so we'll have to see how he handles that.

[N2561]

But all the same can be said about Kakashi, yet no one questions his power ups.

Seriously? Did you forget that Tsundae gave Kakashi the same time Naruto was away to train? That was 2 and a half years of pure hardcore training bro. With kakshi's genius and skill ALL of his moves were earned. Why do you think no one has ever complained about Kakashi? It's because he actually trained and for a long time.

Don't pull stuff out of your ass because you can support your points.

@Acka, that could have been the dumbest thing a person could say.

and Lord Ikimichi u are right lol i hadnt really payed much attention to naruto but your 100% right itachi is by far the strongest out of sasuke and kakashi.


But Acka, Kakashi is a true genius and he knows how to train. Imo i thought kakashi wasnt given enough power until i saw his fight against kakuza and hidan. that really made me happy because i felt that kakashi was amazing and he deserved some cool shit