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Konohafire
09-02-2009, 05:20 PM
Now this is not a match based on fighting style this match will be won by the person who is the craziest.Provide examples on why that person is the craziest.

Carnage
character
Carnage justifies his acts of murder with an absurdist philosophy, based on the idea that the universe is essentially chaotic and that law and order are a perversion. He believes that even the average person can be like him, provided he has "guts". According to Kasady, all human beings are basically evil; most just won't admit it. His ultimate goal is for a society based on murderous hedonism and nihilism, with no law or moral order, and for people to have the freedom to do whatever they want.[19] Carnage seems to have little interest in such typical supervillain desires as wealth and world domination. He kills mainly for his own pleasure, but also sees it as a form of "art". Kasady takes pride when his actions gain media attention, saying "I'm not inspired by the media... I inspire the media."[20] He once told Demogoblin, in response to the demon's assertion that the universe is made of patterns and plans, that "Life is meaningless! Chaos! The universe has no center! Its creator is a drooling idiot!"[21] Like Venom, Carnage has threatened to devour some of his victims, such as threatening to tear Spider-Man's arms off and eat them in the novel Carnage in New York.[22]




Joker
character
The Joker has been referred to as the Clown Prince of Crime (or Chaos), the Harlequin of Hate (Havoc), and the Ace of Knaves. One of his most famous traits is his evil laugh, which can be used in many different forms e.g. being ominous, intimidating and frightening or gleeful and wild. Throughout the evolution of the DC Universe, interpretations and incarnations of the Joker have taken two forms. The original and currently dominant image is of a fiendishly intelligent psychopath with a warped, sadistic sense of humor.[47][48] The other interpretation of the character, popular in the late 1940s through 1960s comic books as well as the 1960s television series, is that of an eccentric but harmless prankster and thief. Batman: The Animated Series blended these two aspects, although most interpretations tend to embrace one characterization or the other.[43]

The Joker's victims have included men, women, children, and even his own henchmen and other villains. In the graphic novel The Joker: Devil's Advocate, the Joker is reported to have killed well over 2,000 people. Despite having murdered enough people to get the death penalty thousands of times over, he is always found not guilty by reason of insanity.[49] In the Batman story line "War Crimes", this continued ruling of insanity is in fact made possible by the Joker's own dream team of lawyers. He is then placed in Arkham Asylum, from which he appears able to escape at will, going so far as to claim that it's just a resting ground in between his "performances".

RavenArchangel
09-02-2009, 05:40 PM
Its apples to organges. They are both a different kind of crazy. ones a psychopathic killer the other is a psychopathic genius who likes chaos for the sake of chaos. It also depends based on which Joker you mean..Heath Legder or the real Joker by Mark Hamil?

Typhlosion12
09-02-2009, 05:40 PM
The Carnage will Slap Joker Silly (Literally)
The Carnage Wins, he has powers

Konohafire
09-02-2009, 05:51 PM
when I mean Joker I mean current,you know what I mean.

"Why so serious?"

DoomTrain
09-02-2009, 05:52 PM
The Carnage will Slap Joker Silly (Literally)
The Carnage Wins, he has powers

I guess you DID NOT read the versus basis? He's talking about who is more shit balls crazy.

I'd say Carnage, his mom tried to kill him so his dad killed his mom , then Carnage lied about what happened and had his dad sent to prison then eventually death by electric chair. Even before this happened he murdered his grandmother by pushing her down the stairs. He was nuts before he was grown up.

Iluvealexhayes
09-02-2009, 05:54 PM
Carnage is crazy. The reason for this is because he has the urge to kill; and the crazy thing about this unusual Urge is it's not Temporary it Permanent, Making Carnage crazier than the Joker.

ragia
09-02-2009, 06:00 PM
Carnage. Because he wants just pure chaos for the world to only murderous hedonism and nihilism with no laws or morals...he wants anarchy he even says the creator of the universe is a idiot.

Tsuna
09-02-2009, 09:25 PM
Joke is 1000 times more bat shit insane then carnage

Demonic Heart
09-02-2009, 11:06 PM
I love the both of them, but Joker might be to much.

Abbath
09-02-2009, 11:48 PM
How can you quantify and compare two very different types of crazies? The basis of this thread is flawed.

Yoruichi17
09-05-2009, 06:26 AM
Well, both kill without remorse. I think Joker is much more sane than Carnage though. Joker is smarter, and has more self-control. Bascially, the Joker just enjoys messing around with people. Plus, I don't think Joker was crazy from day one. Something had to happen to Joker before he snapped. On the contrary, Carnage (Kasady) killed his grandmother as a child by pushing her down some stairs. He did that intentionally as a child. Not only that, but he thinks sanity, law, and order are a "perversions". To Carnage, everything has to die, because everyone has to kill. Carnage wants world domination and chaos. Joker just wants to see people squirm.

Mr. Solo
09-05-2009, 07:06 AM
Carnage....my god, is a beast! He'll slash the Joker to the next card!
Seriously, Carnage has these Massive claws and senses.
The joker relies on traps and and long distant attacks which Carnage can dodge with his speed.

Matters what Joker we're talking about, theirs practically two new Jokers, Heath Ledger and Kevin Michael Richardson.
Kevin Micheal Richardson Joker has a variation of long range and close range fighting. The Joker also moves and fights with a Monkey Kung Fu-like style, using his feet as dexterously as his hands, meaning his fighting capabilities outmatch most of the Jokers in the insane timeline.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/90/Joker_batman.jpg/180px-Joker_batman.jpg
Also Carnage would be screwed since most Jokers carry sound based weapons, for example: Joker's Pogo stick weapon, it emits a powerful sound based attack as well as being able to destroy solid concrete with just a simple bounce.

Yoruichi17
09-05-2009, 07:13 AM
Matters what Joker we're talking about, theirs practically two new Jokers, Heath Ledger and Kevin Michael Richardson.
Kevin Micheal Richardson Joker has a variation of long range and close range fighting. The Joker also moves and fights with a Monkey Kung Fu-like style, using his feet as dexterously as his hands, meaning his fighting capabilities outmatch most of the Jokers in the insane timeline.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/90/Joker_batman.jpg/180px-Joker_batman.jpg
Also Carnage would be screwed since most Jokers carry sound based weapons, for example: Joker's Pogo stick weapon, it emits a powerful sound based attack as well as being able to destroy solid concrete with just a simple bounce.

You made some good points, but this isn't a fighting thread.

Also, one incarnation of Carnage isn't vunerable to sound. The one from Maximum Carnage only has one weakness, which is heat.

Konohafire
09-05-2009, 01:25 PM
This isn't about fighting and the Joker I'm talking about can be the one current in the comics or Heath Ledger but I would prefer more current comic person.

Mr. Solo
09-06-2009, 04:11 AM
I know this isn't about fighting. I was pointing out the guy's errors in how Carnage would beat Joker.

To think about it, Joker's Alter Ego went through extreme depression, then he became the Joker which caused that depression to become insanity, which we all know by now he craves like a little boy asks for some candy or a toy in the window. Scarecrow turns on the Joker and uses his fear gas to see what Joker is afraid of. To Scarecrow's surprise, the gas has no effect on Joker, who in turn beats him with a chair. Even the Martian Manhunter needed great effort to reorganize the Joker's mind and that was only temporary.
In terms the Joker's insanity outmatches Carnage's since he has no fear and practically cannot be control by anyone unless they want to put themselves in the critical.

Heath is a different kind of crazy. He's so intelligent its terrifying and he has no motive. Hamill's joker was formulaic and insane in a more clownish way. this Joker is a realistic interpretation.

Thanos
09-07-2009, 05:11 PM
I' not sure about their current comic versions, but Joker seems more crazy from what I've read, I recall he used gas on a class for Kindergartners and killed them and in Emperor Joker he destroyed the Universe and had some clowns cause chaos around the world.