Naruto Chapter 444 Discussion/445 Predictions

[Saiyan]

The chapter is out in English!
http://naruto.saiyanisland.com/c.php?id=444

[yungartz]

The chapter is out in a RAW fashion at
http://naruto.saiyanisland.com/c.php?id=444

[/COLOR].

Once the English scanlation is available, I hope to update this post!


First off respects to saiyan

It would seem as if nagetos renningan appeared kind of like how sasukes did. If it was not for jiriya nageto would have gotten his punched in so hard.hhhmmmm

Temporary Chapter Rating: 5 out of 10 -until English

Sage eye combined with kyuubi 10 out of 10 , that was sic.:yell::cool:

[drzMiguel]

thx Saiyan, nagato is emo:laugh:

[Takken]

Nagato currently reminds me of a mental pedo:laugh:

[Chinwekewa]

Well the eyes didn't last long and we saw no sort of new power. What a let down.

[narusenga]

sweet chapter... tanx SI ya made my day.....:D kyubby + sage mode fantastic love the eyes..... :)

[NaRUtoSuPErfAn]

Saiyan FTW.
Wow this chapter is epic, just because of the sage+kyubbi combo.

[Acka]

English HQ is out

[Psycho Killer]

Damn that was awsome +_+. Kyuubi sage mode looks cool I wonder what powers he will have when he's like that.

[Acka]

Damn that was awsome +_+. Kyuubi sage mode looks cool I wonder what powers he will have when he's like that.

The chakra of that mode must be freaking amazing.

The brute power of Kyuubi Chakra + the Natural energy of Sage mode.

And as if his strength wasn't already 100x in sage mode.
Now with Kyuubi in the mix...

[Psycho Killer]

The chakra of that mode must be freaking amazing.

The brute power of Kyuubi Chakra + the Natural energy of Sage mode.

And as if his strength wasn't already 100x in sage mode.
Now with Kyuubi in the mix...

I know right o_O all 9 tails + sage mode would be insane.

[AfterBlaqk]

just finished english version

haha now he's the one with eye's only he can obtain take that sasuke you d-bag...

anyway story time is gonna last at least two more chaps... if feel stupid for thinking something would actually get done this chapter but it was still a pretty cool chapter

i give it 7/10 rating

[Narutosage]

good chap but i think these need to be warped up there are two many questions to be answered and it's kinda boring that we are being prolonged the answers :yell:

[Darkette]

War and lost of parents brings out the worst in young kids, don't they? Nagato needs:
1. FOOD/WATER
2. A Hug
3. Love <3

[Chris~sama]

I'd hug him if he did'nt look like a geriatric smelly old man 0.o.


In all seriousness tho,Kishi has got to get him out of that contraption,its making me sick just looking at it.


And it seems I was right,Nagato is'nt genuinely evil.....its actions that he's experienced which causes him to be this way.

I have a feeling,were also going to find out more about Salamander Hanzou aswell...after he talks about Yahiko.

[Acka]

I know right o_O all 9 tails + sage mode would be insane.

I wish he would've just killed Nagato and fought Konan so we could see its power..

It's really bothering me now, I'm so curious!

I'd hug him if he did'nt look like a geriatric smelly old man 0.o.


In all seriousness tho,Kishi has got to get him out of that contraption,its making me sick just looking at it.


And it seems I was right,Nagato is'nt genuinely evil.....its actions that he's experienced which causes him to be this way.

I have a feeling,were also going to find out more about Salamander Hanzou aswell...after he talks about Yahiko.

Agree'd..
I think his second source of pain will be the loss of Yahiko, cause we all know
that Pein actually cares about that Pain more than others.
This feels like it's gonna be like the Sasuke vs Naruto (During Pt 1) Arc.
Flashback chapters..

[Darkette]

I wish he would've just killed Nagato and fought Konan so we could see its power..

It's really bothering me now, I'm so curious!



Agree'd..
I think his second source of pain will be the loss of Yahiko, cause we all know
that Pein actually cares about that Pain more than others.
This feels like it's gonna be like the Sasuke vs Naruto (During Pt 1) Arc.
Flashback chapters..

How much damage do you think Nagato would take if he was hit by the Kyuubi's chakra in his state?

I agree about the Yahiko thing.
I think there are enough flashbacks to have their own manga, ya know?

[Mr. Drew]

Damn.
Great chapter.
Heh I like how the shinobi said sorry after killing Nagato's parents.
What a D-bag heh

[Darkette]

Damn.
Great chapter.
Heh I like how the shinobi said sorry after killing Nagato's parents.
What a D-bag heh

Why are ninja's oblivious some times? XD

Hey dude, about the killing of your parents. Big mistake, sorry. I didn't see or know...or try to really make sure I was doing my job in a way I wouldn't cause harm. Oh well. Said sorry. Later!

:rolleyes:

[jirayasama]

..actually this was the most booring chapter of them all..

But i have a question, What happen to those ninjas that nagato been killed when he was still young? What kind of power does the Reinigan have, that when nagato get angry hes rienigan eye well be triggered. And killed the ninjas around him?

What does the Rienigan do? Some kind of Ninjutso?

[Acka]

How much damage do you think Nagato would take if he was hit by the Kyuubi's chakra in his state?

I agree about the Yahiko thing.
I think there are enough flashbacks to have their own manga, ya know?

I think Nagato would've been freaking obliterated..

Naruto in NTF+Sage Mode was able to resist Nagatos chakra regardless that he was standing in front of him..

It amazed Nagato and Konan that Naruto was still able to move standing that close..

That just shows a small peak of the power of the NTF+Sage Mode..

..actually this was the most booring chapter of them all..

But i have a question, What happen to those ninjas that nagato been killed when he was still young? What kind of power does the Reinigan have, that when nagato get angry hes rienigan eye well be triggered. And killed the ninjas around him?

What does the Rienigan do? Some kind of Ninjutso?

What happen to those ninjas that nagato been killed when he was still young?

What do you mean still young? The ones when Jiraiya was Nagato, Konan, and Yahiko teacher? I think he's going to get to that part of his story later.

What kind of power does the Reinigan have, that when nagato get angry hes rienigan eye well be triggered. And killed the ninjas around him?

I have no idea what this question is.. Are you asking what does the rinnengan do when Nagato is angered and if it just kills all the ninja around him?
If so, then I don't think it does that at all.

What does the Rienigan do?
I THINK that the rinnengan give the user the ability to disperse his chakra to other bodies using chakra receivers. Another ability gained by using the Rinnegan is that all the bodies can see each individual body's field of vision.
But I think thats as far was we know about the Rinnengan

Why are ninja's oblivious some times? XD

Hey dude, about the killing of your parents. Big mistake, sorry. I didn't see or know...or try to really make sure I was doing my job in a way I wouldn't cause harm. Oh well. Said sorry. Later!

:rolleyes:

You have to think of the situation, they were in war.
If someone comes at you charging, you don't have time to think whether they're civillian or shinobi.
You assume that they're the enemy shinobi because they're attacking you.

[Darkette]

..actually this was the most booring chapter of them all..

But i have a question, What happen to those ninjas that nagato been killed when he was still young? What kind of power does the Reinigan have, that when nagato get angry hes rienigan eye well be triggered. And killed the ninjas around him?

What does the Rienigan do? Some kind of Ninjutso?

It could possibly have an effect to people in a certain radius as it comes by due to cause of a feeling/hormone...>_>

[jirayasama]

I think Nagato would've been freaking obliterated..

Naruto in NTF+Sage Mode was able to resist Nagatos chakra regardless that he was standing in front of him..

It amazed Nagato and Konan that Naruto was still able to move standing that close..

That just shows a small peak of the power of the NTF+Sage Mode..



What happen to those ninjas that nagato been killed when he was still young?

What do you mean still young? The ones when Jiraiya was Nagato, Konan, and Yahiko teacher? I think he's going to get to that part of his story later.

What kind of power does the Reinigan have, that when nagato get angry hes rienigan eye well be triggered. And killed the ninjas around him?

I have no idea what this question is.. Are you asking what does the rinnengan do when Nagato is angered and if it just kills all the ninja around him?
If so, then I don't think it does that at all.

What does the Rienigan do?
I THINK that the rinnengan give the user the ability to disperse his chakra to other bodies using chakra receivers. Another ability gained by using the Rinnegan is that all the bodies can see each individual body's field of vision.
But I think thats as far was we know about the Rinnengan



You have to think of the situation, they were in war.
If someone comes at you charging, you don't have time to think whether they're civillian or shinobi.
You assume that they're the enemy shinobi because they're attacking you.

you quitly didnt understand my question.

Okey, one more time.. this question is only for you, but if somebody wants to give his/her idea, it would be no problem.

What does rienigan do, when it is triggered?. As we can see it doesnt have a concrete explanation or actions that we witnessed upon reading manga.. But all of the sudden nagato kills those ninjas trying to attacked them.

[Acka]

you quitly didnt understand my question.

Okey, one more time.. this question is only for you, but if somebody wants to give his/her idea, it would be no problem.

What does rienigan do, when it is triggered?. As we can see it doesnt have a concrete explanation or actions that we witnessed upon reading manga.. But all of the sudden nagato kills those ninjas trying to attacked them.

Ah, I get it.
It doesn't necessarily he kills the two Kohona shinobi..
But he most likely does. My apologies for misreading.
As for your question, I guess I have no idea.

[jirayasama]

Ah, I get it.
It doesn't necessarily he kills the two Kohona shinobi..
But he most likely does. My apologies for misreading.
As for your question, I guess I have no idea.

..Not only in this chapter..but way back before when nagato and other 2 kids.. there was also two ninjas trying to attacked them but he killed it..even jiraiya connot believe in his eyes that nagato killed two jounin from the rain village(i think)..it was then jiraiya first witness the eyes of rienigan.

[Acka]

..Not only in this chapter..but way back before when nagato and other 2 kids.. there was also two ninjas trying to attacked them but he killed it..even jiraiya connot believe in his eyes that nagato killed two jounin from the rain village(i think)..it was then jiraiya first witness the eyes of rienigan.

Oh yeah, I forgot completely about that. Ah, I see.
Makes me wonder what kind of power the Rinnengan holds as well.

Must be amazing if a child was able to kill them.

[Black .D.]

Thought on new chapter:
Nagato's peeps got pwnd by leaf ninja.
As for Kyuubi Sage mode:
Naruto as of Chapter 444=Overpowered.
Lets see Sasuke fight that.

[manofonetitle]

Good chapter. I love how Naruto gets stabbed in the stomach and two seconds later he doesn't even give the slightest expression of pain whatsoever. Seriously, Naruto is just a powerhouse now.

>.>
<.<

Nagato is the ultimate emo.

[Psycho Killer]

Thought on new chapter:
Nagato's peeps got pwnd by leaf ninja.
As for Kyuubi Sage mode:
Naruto as of Chapter 444=Overpowered.
Lets see Sasuke fight that.

Sasuke will shit bricks when he fights naruto that's for sure.

[Parkway Drive]

I really didn't like this chapter, I hope the next one is better.

[ScarletMoon]

..actually this was the most booring chapter of them all..

But i have a question, What happen to those ninjas that nagato been killed when he was still young? What kind of power does the Reinigan have, that when nagato get angry hes rienigan eye well be triggered. And killed the ninjas around him?

What does the Rienigan do? Some kind of Ninjutso?

Its a f****** dojutsu. What does it do? read the manga.

Anyway my thoughts on this chapter:

Kyuubi mode+sage mode. The only reason this happened was that naruto was experiencing a mixture of calmness and anger. His anger triggered the kyuubi eye, while his calmness had triggered the sage eye. However, afterwards they seemed to deplete each other, and naruto regained his normal eye form. Why is this?

Maybe both states can't intermingle for long, so they cancel each other out. Which would mean one state might overpower the other and become superior, for example: If naruto was more calm than angry, the kyuubi mode would be canceled. Therefore, Naruto will have to train a lot to keep these two going, which will result to formidable power and the control of the Kyuubi.

Question:

When Yondaime strengthened Naruto's seal did he strengthen it to its former state? What i mean by this is did Yondaime lock the cage till it was before jiraiya unlocked a part of it. If this is true Naruto can now be able to learn how to control the kyuubi at an early kyuubi transformation stage. I hope you understand my question and comment on it.

[sennin]

its a 5/10.. i dont like it very much i think the only part i liked is when the combination of the kyuubi and sage mode happened but the rest is just plain stupid

bout the konoha ninjas, they were soo stupid! nagato's parents are OBVIOUSLY NOT NINJAS!!
1. they let the jar fall
2. father only held the leaf ninja
3. mother only stood doin nothing
(NINJAS DON’T DO THIS)
I understand this doh, they weren’t eatin for the last 3 or 4 days

[Attoyou]

Was that fear i seen in Nagato's Eyes when Naruto Showed Nagato what he was dealing with ? lol, i think it was! :cry: that was too good. the rest pissed me off though , now we have prolly 2 chapters of Nagato Breathing then 1 Chapter of blood coming out of his mouth then 6 chapters of him Trying to finish the Word "The" lol , but i hope they do something cool and quit f**king with us.

[yungartz]

Its a f****** dojutsu. What does it do? read the manga.

Anyway my thoughts on this chapter:

Kyuubi mode+sage mode. The only reason this happened was that naruto was experiencing a mixture of calmness and anger. His anger triggered the kyuubi eye, while his calmness had triggered the sage eye. However, afterwards they seemed to deplete each other, and naruto regained his normal eye form. Why is this?

Maybe both states can't intermingle for long, so they cancel each other out. Which would mean one state might overpower the other and become superior, for example: If naruto was more calm than angry, the kyuubi mode would be canceled. Therefore, Naruto will have to train a lot to keep these two going, which will result to formidable power and the control of the Kyuubi.

Question:

When Yondaime strengthened Naruto's seal did he strengthen it to its former state? What i mean by this is did Yondaime lock the cage till it was before jiraiya unlocked a part of it. If this is true Naruto can now be able to learn how to control the kyuubi at an early kyuubi transformation stage. I hope you understand my question and comment on it.

your correct about naruto's emotions , simply put he was confused , he did not know wether to be made or calm staring into the eyes of the man did all this. he wanted to kill him but yet he wanted to stay calm because of the chain of hatrid.


and you question that is what you would call an interesting questio. J man unlocked part of it all i remember him doing was releasing the 5 pronged seal.

its a 5/10.. i dont like it very much i think the only part i liked is when the combination of the kyuubi and sage mode happened but the rest is just plain stupid.



bout the konoha ninjas, they were soo stupid! nagato's parents are OBVIOUSLY NOT NINJAS!!
1. they let the jar fall
2. father only held the leaf ninja
3. mother only stood doin nothing
(NINJAS DON’T DO THIS)
I understand this doh, they weren’t eatin for the last 3 or 4 days

yes ninjas can do this as a sign of hessitation ( in the moms case
) , as a sign of not much skill ( in the dads case ) and a sign of fear in nagetos case.

Was that fear i seen in Nagato's Eyes when Naruto Showed Nagato what he was dealing with ? lol, i think it was! :cry: that was too good. the rest pissed me off though , now we have prolly 2 chapters of Nagato Breathing then 1 Chapter of blood coming out of his mouth then 6 chapters of him Trying to finish the Word "The" lol , but i hope they do something cool and quit f**king with us.


that was pretty cool but i find it cooler or more interesting how out of all dojutsu the renningan appeared in the eyes of a child who had no ninja parents. It must have been handed down to him through generaations. lol i dont know

[Kaze']

Its a f****** dojutsu. What does it do? read the manga.

Anyway my thoughts on this chapter:

Kyuubi mode+sage mode. The only reason this happened was that naruto was experiencing a mixture of calmness and anger. His anger triggered the kyuubi eye, while his calmness had triggered the sage eye. However, afterwards they seemed to deplete each other, and naruto regained his normal eye form. Why is this?

Maybe both states can't intermingle for long, so they cancel each other out. Which would mean one state might overpower the other and become superior, for example: If naruto was more calm than angry, the kyuubi mode would be canceled. Therefore, Naruto will have to train a lot to keep these two going, which will result to formidable power and the control of the Kyuubi.

Question:

When Yondaime strengthened Naruto's seal did he strengthen it to its former state? What i mean by this is did Yondaime lock the cage till it was before jiraiya unlocked a part of it. If this is true Naruto can now be able to learn how to control the kyuubi at an early kyuubi transformation stage. I hope you understand my question and comment on it.

I dont think they delpleted each other
I think Naruto just totally calmed down
But i do agree that Naruto can activate both (Kyuubi and SAGE mode)

DO ya'll think by him controlling both Kyuubi and Sage that he wont be able to be controlled by MADARA or SASUKE's eyes?

[sakuradbzgirl]

It was cool to see Naruto in nine-tailed mode and sage mode together. Nagato needs to go to a buffet.

[Acka]

its a 5/10.. i dont like it very much i think the only part i liked is when the combination of the kyuubi and sage mode happened but the rest is just plain stupid

bout the konoha ninjas, they were soo stupid! nagato's parents are OBVIOUSLY NOT NINJAS!!
1. they let the jar fall
2. father only held the leaf ninja
3. mother only stood doin nothing
(NINJAS DON’T DO THIS)
I understand this doh, they weren’t eatin for the last 3 or 4 days

You have to consider the situation the Kohona shinobi were in.

Are you telling me, if you were suddenly rushed by someone you don't recognize, you wouldn't consider them the enemy village?
As soon as he attacked, the other Kohona shinobi probably went directly for the mother, thinking she could've been doing some jutsu of some sort.

[Kyubi325]

Wow, I was actually pretty moved by this chapter. Everything about it was executed perfectly. All the little details in just the right places, the flashback of Jiraiya as Naruto charges at Nagato.This is the first time a manga's ever made me genuinely feel something, which to me is pretty damn impressive. I'm kind of annoyed that I'm gonna have to wait a week just for a flashback, but I'm still really happy with this chapter. Best one I've read in a long time.

[KyuubiNoYoko]

Cool chapter.

[Gotas]

The chapter itself wasn't that good, but Fox Sage Mode is cool :ohnoes:

[RavenArchangel]

I guess I take that back. He HAS learned, although it seems odd that Pain wants Naruto to answer so badly. I think its because they were both Jiraiya's students but still..hmm..and well, Nagato's story really is abit ironicly odd. Tho irrational at the time but it makes sense, I'd wig out too..accident or not. Tho when you think about it, his parents weren't that smart, they DID provoke the Shinobi. And what also bothers me is that while it was awesome for him to be both sage and Kyuubi, I thought that wasn't possible? Furthermore, he's already not in either one, so now he's vulnerable, is he not? Really wierd frankly but, Nagato probably won't try anything yet luckily, becuase he's telling Naruto of his Pain...interesting indeed.
I really didn't like this chapter, I hope the next one is better.
o rly? I rather liked this one myself. Not winning any major praise or anything, but it was decent. 7/10

[superb4]

Kyuubi mode+sage mode. The only reason this happened was that naruto was experiencing a mixture of calmness and anger. His anger triggered the kyuubi eye, while his calmness had triggered the sage eye. However, afterwards they seemed to deplete each other, and naruto regained his normal eye form. Why is this?

Maybe both states can't intermingle for long, so they cancel each other out. Which would mean one state might overpower the other and become superior, for example: If naruto was more calm than angry, the kyuubi mode would be canceled. Therefore, Naruto will have to train a lot to keep these two going, which will result to formidable power and the control of the Kyuubi.

Question:

When Yondaime strengthened Naruto's seal did he strengthen it to its former state? What i mean by this is did Yondaime lock the cage till it was before jiraiya unlocked a part of it. If this is true Naruto can now be able to learn how to control the kyuubi at an early kyuubi transformation stage. I hope you understand my question and comment on it.

Well i'll choose to refrain from commenting on the emotions and how it relates to his fox and sage chakra for the time being.....however your question on naruto's seal is interesting. I would assume the fourth would have restored the seal back to its default setting, as he clearly stated that he designed the seal to enable naruto to be able to use half of the fox's chakra. Now i'm not exactly sure what jiraiya did to the seal while they were training.....but didn't jiraiya merely fix the seal because orochimaru messed with the seal before hand?

Edit: I'm referring back to the chunnin exams arc.

[RavenArchangel]

You have to consider the situation the Kohona shinobi were in.

Are you telling me, if you were suddenly rushed by someone you don't recognize, you wouldn't consider them the enemy village?
As soon as he attacked, the other Kohona shinobi probably went directly for the mother, thinking she could've been doing some jutsu of some sort.
Exactally. Plus it was rather dark, so it was hard to be sure WHAT they were fighting, they likely only didn't attack the kid because he was short and didn't seem threatening, unlike his father, or the fact that his mother could do like you said from a distance as some sort of attack.
Wow, I was actually pretty moved by this chapter. Everything about it was executed perfectly. All the little details in just the right places, the flashback of Jiraiya as Naruto charges at Nagato.This is the first time a manga's ever made me genuinely feel something, which to me is pretty damn impressive. I'm kind of annoyed that I'm gonna have to wait a week just for a flashback, but I'm still really happy with this chapter. Best one I've read in a long time.
Yeah well, to me, I hope it stays this good, because the Chapters in this arc have mostly dissapointed me a whole lot. The Rinnegan's lameness being the main culprit.

[Dipset077]

Was that fear i seen in Nagato's Eyes when Naruto Showed Nagato what he was dealing with ? lol, i think it was! :cry: that was too good. the rest pissed me off though , now we have prolly 2 chapters of Nagato Breathing then 1 Chapter of blood coming out of his mouth then 6 chapters of him Trying to finish the Word "The" lol , but i hope they do something cool and quit f**king with us.

LMAO:laugh:

[rikarudo]

damn short chapters... the eye combination was good but he'll never accomplish something of himself if he's always relaying on the fox.

[Mellow]

It seems as though all the Kekkei Genkei involves some source of Pain.

Pain = Hatred = Power = Kekkei Genkei

Nice chapter, thoguh. T'was sweet.

[Noctisyt]

Chapter was okay. But, the thing that sucked was that Fox and Sage are intertwining, WTF.

[yungartz]

I'd hug him if he did'nt look like a geriatric smelly old man 0.o.


In all seriousness tho,Kishi has got to get him out of that contraption,its making me sick just looking at it.


And it seems I was right,Nagato is'nt genuinely evil.....its actions that he's experienced which causes him to be this way.

I have a feeling,were also going to find out more about Salamander Hanzou aswell...after he talks about Yahiko.

hopefully we find out more on hanzou and i could swear you had always known that he wasn't evil to begin with it basically stated it in the manga.

Chapter was okay. But, the thing that sucked was that Fox and Sage are intertwining, WTF.

Sorry you need to explain further because i do not see how the fox and sage mode intertwining sucks.

English chapter rating : 7 out of 10

[neijiman]

it's been my theory since naruto matered sage mode that naruto would find sum way to blend the kyuubi chakra and natural energy. it was cool to see my theory come true. despite this i can't help but think the the appearance of DSM (demon sage mode) was a fluke.

the reason why i feel this way is because i remeber a while back when jiraiya was teachin naruto to summon toads. jiraiya mentioned that in order for naruto to summon boss toad he would have to use the "red" chakra (of course we all know thats kuubi's chakra). jiraiya also mentioned that inorder for naruto to use the foxes chakra he'd have to use up his own chakra. now since naruto has possibly(i'm just guessin here) used up most if not all his chakra its likely that he may have unknowingly drawn out kyuubi.

now since naruto may be possibly runin on kyuubi's reserves, he might have accidentally blended kyuubi's chakra with natural energy in place of his own chakra creating a sort of alternate sage mode

these are just theories so for all you smart aleks waitin in the wing to chew me out calm down

EDIT: if chris samma is online i'd like to appologize if i may have seemed pissed off in our last little back and fourth

[Mellow]

Chapter was okay. But, the thing that sucked was that Fox and Sage are intertwining, WTF.

I agree.

My thread is totally destroyed. http://www.forums.saiyanisland.com/showthread.php?t=10500&highlight=Kyuubi+Sage+Chakra

[Noctisyt]

hopefully we find out more on hanzou and i could swear you had always known that he wasn't evil to begin with it basically stated it in the manga.



Sorry you need to explain further because i do not see how the fox and sage mode intertwining sucks.

English chapter rating : 7 out of 10
It sucks because it seemed so obvious that Sage and Kyuubi couldn't mix.

[neijiman]

It sucks because it seemed so obvious that Sage and Kyuubi couldn't mix.

i can see wat your sayin in a way but wat would have been the point in naruto having two seperate power ups that both produce almost the same result

kyuubi=super strength/speed sage mode=superstrength/speed

kyuubi=healing powers sage mode=healing powers


the only real seperating factor of sage mode is it makes the user a uber chakra sensing type and it has a set time limit

the two powers are different but only in a yin yang two sides of the same coin sorta way rather than them being total opposites know wat i mean?

[Noctisyt]

i can see wat your sayin in a way but wat would have been the point in naruto having two seperate power ups that both produce almost the same result

kyuubi=super strength/speed sage mode=superstrength/speed

kyuubi=healing powers sage mode=healing powers


the only real seperating factor of sage mode is it makes the user a uber chakra sensing type and it has a set time limit

the two powers are different but only in a yin yang two sides of the same coin sorta way rather than them being total opposites know wat i mean?
Actually, Yin and Yang are opposite no matter what effect they happen to give off. The only thing is that if you balance the two, it will work.
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Or maybe, this is a sign that the Kyuubi is beginning to cooperate with Naruto ? (By that I mean the Kyuubi is allowing another chakra source to be balanced with itself, rather than Naruto having to shut off Kyuubi.)

[djstilos]

i have a question for everyone...wat do you guys think konan meant when she told nagato to stop wasting time and for him to hurry up and....."???" :confused:
(page 11)
dats been botherin me...lol

other than dat...great chapter...slow but interesting...

[neijiman]

Actually, Yin and Yang are opposite no matter what effect they happen to give off. The only thing is that if you balance the two, it will work.
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Or maybe, this is a sign that the Kyuubi is beginning to cooperate with Naruto ? (By that I mean the Kyuubi is allowing another chakra source to be balanced with itself, rather than Naruto having to shut off Kyuubi.)

regardless of that slip up can you still see were i'm comin from? if the yin yang thing is as you say then i can see how that could happen amougst sm and the ntf. natural energy might strengthen naruto's control over the kyuubi and kyuubi's chakra might then allow naruto to maintain sage mode for more extended periods of time due to the fact that kyuubi's chakra reserves are already imense even without natural energy.

i have a question for everyone...wat do you guys think konan meant when she told nagato to stop wasting time and for him to hurry up and....."???" :confused:
(page 11)
dats been botherin me...lol

other than dat...great chapter...slow but interesting...

easy, with nagato's chakra reserves low and the fact that one on one battle isn't konan's speacialty, they are pressed for time

[yungartz]

It sucks because it seemed so obvious that Sage and Kyuubi couldn't mix.

when i ask you to explaine further i am asking for at least 3 sentinces with detail i can understand.

if it seemed obvious that sage and kyuubi could not mix then wouldn't that make it better rather then it being obvious that it can mix because if it was obvious then we would have seen it coming so then it would not be as interesting.

from my understanding something that is ovbious is less interesting then something that is not.

you still need to explain further because right now your not making much sense.


I know most people already know this, but this is for the people who don't know.

Sage Chakra + Kyuubi Chakra:

Sage Chakra is obtained through standing completely still, grasping all the Natural Energy around you. Kyuubi Chakra is obtained through the Nine-Tailed Fox, or a demon. It is impossible to fuse those two together because Sage Chakra is like the Kyuubi's poison, meaning it's impossible to fuse. This would be called Chakra Polarity.

Yin-Yang:

Sage Chakra (Yin) and Kyuubi Chakra (Yang) are both Relations and Irrelations of Nature. Sage Chakra takes in nature, while Kyuubi Chakra breaks the chain of Nature. If one is displaced in time, the other will vanish too. It's like Good and Evil. You can't have Evil without Good, and you can't have Good without Evil. If both are together, Naruto would basically turn to nothing, not really meaning that they can fuse.

Kyuubi's Refusal to Papa Toad:

The Kyuubi doesn't want Naruto to depend on another thing, and dosen't want Papa Toad to influence Naruto to keep using Sage Mode; The Kyuubi solely wants Naruto to depend on him, because, like I said in the last two, Sage Chakra is the Kyuubi's poison, so if they both come together, Naruto will turn to nothing and so will the Kyuubi.


I dont mean to say your theory is wrong because it makes sense but to me it looks like you are thinking to far into this. He did not want pa to fuse with him because that would be to presences in naruto and im sure the kyuubi wants the vessel to him self. and if naruto would be nothing then nageto would not have sensed narutos chakra because if it is how you say it is , sage and kyuubi would cancel each other out correct?

i believe that the eye was caused by a state of confusion ( sorta speak )

[neijiman]

when i ask you to explaine further i am asking for at least 3 sentinces with detail i can understand.

if it seemed obvious that sage and kyuubi could not mix then wouldn't that make it better rather then it being obvious that it can mix because if it was obvious then we would have seen it coming so then it would not be as interesting.

from my understanding something that is ovbious is less interesting then something that is not.

you still need to explain further because right now your not making much sense.





I dont mean to say your theory is wrong because it makes sense but to me it looks like you are thinking to far into this. He did not want pa to fuse with him because that would be to presences in naruto and im sure the kyuubi wants the vessel to him self. and if naruto would be nothing then nageto would not have sensed narutos chakra because if it is how you say it is , sage and kyuubi would cancel each other out correct?

i believe that the eye was caused by a state of confusion ( sorta speak )

please read carefully

it's been my theory since naruto matered sage mode that naruto would find sum way to blend the kyuubi chakra and natural energy. it was cool to see my theory come true. despite this i can't help but think the the appearance of DSM (demon sage mode) was a fluke.

the reason why i feel this way is because i remeber a while back when jiraiya was teachin naruto to summon toads. jiraiya mentioned that in order for naruto to summon boss toad he would have to use the "red" chakra (of course we all know thats kuubi's chakra). jiraiya also mentioned that inorder for naruto to use the foxes chakra he'd have to use up his own chakra. now since naruto has possibly(i'm just guessin here) used up most if not all his chakra its likely that he may have unknowingly drawn out kyuubi.

now since naruto may be possibly runin on kyuubi's reserves, he might have accidentally blended kyuubi's chakra with natural energy in place of his own chakra creating a sort of alternate sage mode

these are just theories so for all you smart aleks waitin in the wing to chew me out calm down

EDIT: if chris samma is online i'd like to appologize if i may have seemed pissed off in our last little back and fourth

[Trini Emperor]

I don't think SM will help Naruto control the fox at all. Even if it does come to that, it will be sort of retarded. We saw Naruto suppress the fox by himself during the fight with Pein already. Adding SM to the mix to help him control it, would make him suppressing it before, by himself without SM, a waste. This is something I think Naruto should learn to do on his own, just like Kirabi did with Hachibi, although we don't have that much details on how they were able to communicate with one another on a friendship level. But SM, if anything, should give way to a new power when mixed with the Kyuubi's. I highly doubt with Kyuubi's power alone, Naruto will be able to beat Madara; Maybe if he gets the other half of the NTF's Chakra, but who knows. So Kishi should start thinking about a new source of power for Naruto, or, a new way in which to balance out SM and Kyuubi's power together.

About the whole Ying Yang convo, what do you guys think will come of the other half of the Kyuubi's chakra?

Off topic: Hold crap, the posting level on this forum has dwindled considerably.

[sage mod3]

Chapter wasn't that bad, naruto sage eye+kyuubi eyes was awesome.

Next few chapts are just gunna be talking and flashbacks but we get to see some of nagatos past at least

Anyone notice naruto went out of sage mode + kyuubi charkra like half way thru the chapter, wonder why (i think he went a bit calmer)

Thanks kishi naruto manga is the best and yeah abotu a 7/10

[sage mod3]

i have a question for everyone...wat do you guys think konan meant when she told nagato to stop wasting time and for him to hurry up and....."???" :confused:
(page 11)
dats been botherin me...lol

other than dat...great chapter...slow but interesting...


maybe just capture naruto quickly i bet lol because we havent seen the rinnegans full potiential yet MAYBE?

JUST REALISED SORRY FOR DUB POST

[neijiman]

I don't think SM will help Naruto control the fox at all. Even if it does come to that, it will be sort of retarded. We saw Naruto suppress the fox by himself during the fight with Pein already. Adding SM to the mix to help him control it, would make him suppressing it before, by himself without SM, a waste. This is something I think Naruto should learn to do on his own, just like Kirabi did with Hachibi, although we don't have that much details on how they were able to communicate with one another on a friendship level. But SM, if anything, should give way to a new power when mixed with the Kyuubi's. I highly doubt with Kyuubi's power alone, Naruto will be able to beat Madara; Maybe if he gets the other half of the NTF's Chakra, but who knows. So Kishi should start thinking about a new source of power for Naruto, or, a new way in which to balance out SM and Kyuubi's power together.

About the whole Ying Yang convo, what do you guys think will come of the other half of the Kyuubi's chakra?

Off topic: Hold crap, the posting level on this forum has dwindled considerably.


the basis of sage mode is blancing ones chakra with natural energy by mixing the two to create sage chakra. now wat i was trying to say in my previous post is that this time instead of combining his chakra with natural energy, naruto accidentally fused kyuubi's chakra with natural enegy inorder to create an alternate sage mode

proof: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/409/11/

EDIT: it says here that one must combine physical, natural and spiritual energy in order to create sage chakra. assuming that naruto's sudden combination of kyuubi's chakra and natural energy was imperfect, naruto may have quikly phased out of this alternate sage mode due to the fact that the kyuubi's yang/physical chakra was not their to balance the scale


naruto did not surpress the ntf himself in this fight. the remnant of the fourth's chakra sealed in naruto along with the kyuubi was responsible for that. i know that that may have been how pain may have interperated naruto's sudden transformation from 8 tailed kyuubi back to his normal form but that's not the case. the fourth resealed the kyuubi while in naruto's conciousness


i understand why you'd want naruto to control the ntf like kirabi does hachibi but naruto and kirabi's relationships with their bijuu (sorry if i flubbed that one) are very differeent. hachibi seems more calm and subserviant while kyuubi is more murderous and evil. now who knows how they got that way or if their behavior is due to the attitude they have towards their hosts but the two are in sharp contrast with one another in terms of personallity.

in terms of the whole kyuubi yang chakra thing. i think it ma alow naruto to summon a kind of remote kyuubi. thats only a rough theory at best though.

[robertkmy]

nice chapter, i believe that naruto draws in natural chakra with his to get into sage mode. he entered sage with whats was left when he defeated yahiko. since the nine tails chakra comes out whenever naruto runs out of his, i think it just came out when naruto ran out in sage mode and mixed with the natural chakra. just my theory though. since the nine tails disturbs the balance it canceled out the sage mode. my guess is naruto will find a way to maintain the nine tail and natural chakra to enter the new mixed mode we saw. does anyone think naruto will give nagato d answer we all think..... forgiveness is peace

[Juanx1000]

The chapter was so epic with drama i cant wait to see the next one =O

[cloudstriff16]

to tell u the truth yahiko died as a kid then nagato kept his body and tried to find a way to revie him so he hucked his own body to the machines hes on..stuck the black recievers in his back and in yahikos body and pushed his chakra threw yahikos body so he could control him and that brung yahiko back to life so as long as yahiko recieved chakra from nagato he would stay alive.I believe that nagato stayed on that machine for years and since yahiko was alive through nagato he grew into an adult thats why nagato iz skinny because he doesnt eat or use his muscles for fighting.hes been on that machine to support yahiko so he could stay alive.nagato said he would give his life for his friends so thats what he did but he went threw pain all those years to do so...


comment if u want..

[Mellow]

to tell u the truth yahiko died as a kid then nagato kept his body and tried to find a way to revie him so he hucked his own body to the machines hes on..stuck the black recievers in his back and in yahikos body and pushed his chakra threw yahikos body so he could control him and that brung yahiko back to life so as long as yahiko recieved chakra from nagato he would stay alive.I believe that nagato stayed on that machine for years and since yahiko was alive through nagato he grew into an adult thats why nagato iz skinny because he doesnt eat or use his muscles for fighting.hes been on that machine to support yahiko so he could stay alive.nagato said he would give his life for his friends so thats what he did but he went threw pain all those years to do so...


comment if u want..

...wtf?

[manofonetitle]

to tell u the truth yahiko died as a kid then nagato kept his body and tried to find a way to revie him so he hucked his own body to the machines hes on..stuck the black recievers in his back and in yahikos body and pushed his chakra threw yahikos body so he could control him and that brung yahiko back to life so as long as yahiko recieved chakra from nagato he would stay alive.I believe that nagato stayed on that machine for years and since yahiko was alive through nagato he grew into an adult thats why nagato iz skinny because he doesnt eat or use his muscles for fighting.hes been on that machine to support yahiko so he could stay alive.nagato said he would give his life for his friends so thats what he did but he went threw pain all those years to do so...


comment if u want..

With pleasure!
*ahem*
Something tells me you are on crack.

[Akira Uchiha]

Interesting theory cloudstriff16.
Just coming back to Naruto a second.

I don't understand how he reached a Kyubi/Sage mode; if he did use Kyubi to boost his chakra level he would have needed to exit Sage mode (so his Spiritual and Physical energy could increase) and then turn Sage mode but this time with double the Natural chakra. Pa Frog told Naruto that only people with immense/big chakra could be able to create enough Nature chakra and then balance it out.
I simply don't understand how Naruto managed to turn in this mode. And I would like to point out that it doesn't seem his strength, speed or control over himself increased. The chakra Naruto used was only to repel the one of Nagato.
--> when Pa frog tried to fuse with Naruto, he had to join his body AND chakra to Naruto so he could transfer the Nature chakra, and Kyubi rejected him. That's exactly why Nagato's chakra was not able to control Naruto ( and also why we saw the Kyubi in Nagato's mind ).
To me Naruto will leave Konoha after he told Pain his answer to the problem, possibly 3-5 years like he did with Jiraya previously. He'll train his Sage mode techniques, control of Kyubi tails, widden his repertoire of jutsus, and I hope learn and use his own style of taijutsu. Imagine him coming back stronger than Jiraya physically in normal mode, with a greater repertoire of jutsus, Sage Mode, Kyubi Mode, mixed kyubi/sage mode, and possibly his father's techniques (improved as the toad scroll hinted that atechnique needed completion, a technique that Naruto did not really need). I'd love to see naruto develop a style of taijutsu related to a fox. Lee is the tiger while Gaara is associated with the Dragon. I'd love to see a Naruto whom is wise and cunninbg in combat, adaptable, fast, flexible, precise (where he hits his enemy) and pottentially stronger.

Back to your theory Cloudstriff16, I think it is highly plausible, yet I wonder if the inflow of chakra (in a dead person's body in their infant stage) will necessary make them grow. Apart from that your theory seems quite reasonable to me.
That's only me and my ideas though... no harsh feelings hear.

On a side note; it seems Naruto can control some of Kyubi, cos he just reverts the Sage mode and Kyubi moustache, fangs and claws. But that's a low level of chakra, so not much surprise. besides now that we know he can have a joint Sage/kyubi mode, we can think that he might be able to simply switch off this mode as he would do with Sage mode. So my hypothesis is that if Naruto can include Kyubi's chakra (say 1-3 tails) to his Sage mode, he won't need to be afraid about losing control. If he feels his seal is weakening he can just switch off his mode.

[yungartz]

to tell u the truth yahiko died as a kid then nagato kept his body and tried to find a way to revie him so he hucked his own body to the machines hes on..stuck the black recievers in his back and in yahikos body and pushed his chakra threw yahikos body so he could control him and that brung yahiko back to life so as long as yahiko recieved chakra from nagato he would stay alive.I believe that nagato stayed on that machine for years and since yahiko was alive through nagato he grew into an adult thats why nagato iz skinny because he doesnt eat or use his muscles for fighting.hes been on that machine to support yahiko so he could stay alive.nagato said he would give his life for his friends so thats what he did but he went threw pain all those years to do so...


comment if u want..

Sometimes I wonder.........

Interesting theory cloudstriff16.
Just coming back to Naruto a second.

I don't understand how he reached a Kyubi/Sage mode; if he did use Kyubi to boost his chakra level he would have needed to exit Sage mode (so his Spiritual and Physical energy could increase) and then turn Sage mode but this time with double the Natural chakra. Pa Frog told Naruto that only people with immense/big chakra could be able to create enough Nature chakra and then balance it out.
I simply don't understand how Naruto managed to turn in this mode. And I would like to point out that it doesn't seem his strength, speed or control over himself increased. The chakra Naruto used was only to repel the one of Nagato.
--> when Pa frog tried to fuse with Naruto, he had to join his body AND chakra to Naruto so he could transfer the Nature chakra, and Kyubi rejected him. That's exactly why Nagato's chakra was not able to control Naruto ( and also why we saw the Kyubi in Nagato's mind ).
To me Naruto will leave Konoha after he told Pain his answer to the problem, possibly 3-5 years like he did with Jiraya previously. He'll train his Sage mode techniques, control of Kyubi tails, widden his repertoire of jutsus, and I hope learn and use his own style of taijutsu. Imagine him coming back stronger than Jiraya physically in normal mode, with a greater repertoire of jutsus, Sage Mode, Kyubi Mode, mixed kyubi/sage mode, and possibly his father's techniques (improved as the toad scroll hinted that atechnique needed completion, a technique that Naruto did not really need). I'd love to see naruto develop a style of taijutsu related to a fox. Lee is the tiger while Gaara is associated with the Dragon. I'd love to see a Naruto whom is wise and cunninbg in combat, adaptable, fast, flexible, precise (where he hits his enemy) and pottentially stronger.

Back to your theory Cloudstriff16, I think it is highly plausible, yet I wonder if the inflow of chakra (in a dead person's body in their infant stage) will necessary make them grow. Apart from that your theory seems quite reasonable to me.
That's only me and my ideas though... no harsh feelings hear.

On a side note; it seems Naruto can control some of Kyubi, cos he just reverts the Sage mode and Kyubi moustache, fangs and claws. But that's a low level of chakra, so not much surprise. besides now that we know he can have a joint Sage/kyubi mode, we can think that he might be able to simply switch off this mode as he would do with Sage mode. So my hypothesis is that if Naruto can include Kyubi's chakra (say 1-3 tails) to his Sage mode, he won't need to be afraid about losing control. If he feels his seal is weakening he can just switch off his mode.

:cry:When you say that Kyuubi chakra was only to repel nagetos chakra , you could be correct. The example you gave is probably right but its kinda like how a genjutsu works. In order to stop it you need your team mates to poor their chakra into or you need to stop your chakra flow and start it again ( redirecting it ) . When sasuke caought the 8 tails in a genjutsu he then pored out his beasts chakra to interrupt the jutsu. It would seem thats kinda what naruto did with nageto and the kyuubi just now. But does naruto know that , i dont remember him learning that. Although he could have just based it off what J man taught him.

If naruto left and came back as a 18 to 20 year old then i think he would have to be more like J Man in personality , elderly but immature except for when it comes to battle or a serious debate/conversation.:cry:

[shalashaska]

I don't think SM will help Naruto control the fox at all. Even if it does come to that, it will be sort of retarded. We saw Naruto suppress the fox by himself during the fight with Pein already. Adding SM to the mix to help him control it, would make him suppressing it before, by himself without SM, a waste. This is something I think Naruto should learn to do on his own, just like Kirabi did with Hachibi, although we don't have that much details on how they were able to communicate with one another on a friendship level. But SM, if anything, should give way to a new power when mixed with the Kyuubi's. I highly doubt with Kyuubi's power alone, Naruto will be able to beat Madara; Maybe if he gets the other half of the NTF's Chakra, but who knows. So Kishi should start thinking about a new source of power for Naruto, or, a new way in which to balance out SM and Kyuubi's power together.

About the whole Ying Yang convo, what do you guys think will come of the other half of the Kyuubi's chakra?

Off topic: Hold crap, the posting level on this forum has dwindled considerably.

em....i just wanna ask a question concerning sage mode and the kyuubi...i think naruto was in sage mode wen the kyuubi was suppressed...is it possible he used sage mode to do that?dat whole ying yang thing i've been readin from other members i think is way too deep..sage mode might not be the way to control the kyuubi but it's definitely gonna play a part in suppressin it as u've see wit the eyes and if u ask me...i thin that's a lil bit of control there dont u think/

[profit]

to tell u the truth yahiko died as a kid then nagato kept his body and tried to find a way to revie him so he hucked his own body to the machines hes on..stuck the black recievers in his back and in yahikos body and pushed his chakra threw yahikos body so he could control him and that brung yahiko back to life so as long as yahiko recieved chakra from nagato he would stay alive.I believe that nagato stayed on that machine for years and since yahiko was alive through nagato he grew into an adult thats why nagato iz skinny because he doesnt eat or use his muscles for fighting.hes been on that machine to support yahiko so he could stay alive.nagato said he would give his life for his friends so thats what he did but he went threw pain all those years to do so...


comment if u want..
posibly one of the most ilogical nosensical thing iv ever heard besides db evolution being a trilogy

anyway
hold on a second Sm cant work with kyubi chakara so it must be narutos will holding it back because god realm did say that he has learned how to control the kyubis power maybe narutos little thing thing minato didnt just seal the chakara but gave naruto control over it (the same thing could of happend to killer bee)

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Or maybe, this is a sign that the Kyuubi is beginning to cooperate with Naruto ? (By that I mean the Kyuubi is allowing another chakra source to be balanced with itself, rather than Naruto having to shut off Kyuubi.)

dats wat i think but a a tailed beasts chakara shudnt be able 2 work with nature chakara

[Attoyou]

hmm i wonder what konan wuz gona tell Nagato to do before he told her to shut up?

Was she gonna tell him just to get him?

or Was she gonna Tell him to Do something that would end this battle? something were yet too see, because i know we haven't seen all Nagato Can do i know that.

cant wait to find out how this is all gonna end.

[NarutoFTWFan]

that chaptur waz frigin awzome! I leiked the pert wher Naruto wint leik fox toad eyes, shaaaw! rok on Naruto!!11!!1

[Trini Emperor]

the basis of sage mode is blancing ones chakra with natural energy by mixing the two to create sage chakra. now wat i was trying to say in my previous post is that this time instead of combining his chakra with natural energy, naruto accidentally fused kyuubi's chakra with natural enegy inorder to create an alternate sage mode

proof: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/409/11/

EDIT: it says here that one must combine physical, natural and spiritual energy in order to create sage chakra. assuming that naruto's sudden combination of kyuubi's chakra and natural energy was imperfect, naruto may have quikly phased out of this alternate sage mode due to the fact that the kyuubi's yang/physical chakra was not their to balance the scale


naruto did not surpress the ntf himself in this fight. the remnant of the fourth's chakra sealed in naruto along with the kyuubi was responsible for that. i know that that may have been how pain may have interperated naruto's sudden transformation from 8 tailed kyuubi back to his normal form but that's not the case. the fourth resealed the kyuubi while in naruto's conciousness


i understand why you'd want naruto to control the ntf like kirabi does hachibi but naruto and kirabi's relationships with their bijuu (sorry if i flubbed that one) are very differeent. hachibi seems more calm and subserviant while kyuubi is more murderous and evil. now who knows how they got that way or if their behavior is due to the attitude they have towards their hosts but the two are in sharp contrast with one another in terms of personallity.

in terms of the whole kyuubi yang chakra thing. i think it ma alow naruto to summon a kind of remote kyuubi. thats only a rough theory at best though.

The first 2 statements I wouldn't comment on, because you totally missed what I was trying to say. (Although I thought it was pretty clear.)

Yondaime sealed the nine tails, yes, but that alone isn't enough to revert Naruto back to his regular form without injuries. (Skin burning off) Yamato's jutsu isn't that different from what Yondaime did. Yondaime sealed it, blocking/suppressing it, Yamato suppresses it also. When Yamato suppressed it, Naruto walked out with a couple burns. I'm sure the sealing method that Yondaime used has healing abilities Homie. That's just a little wild to think about at this point. Naruto seemed to have a high degree of control at that point. Remember, his whole demeanor changed once his father spoke to him and became a lot more focused than he used to be, which should show that he'll be a lot more resilient in the usage of Kyuubi's chakra and should have a greater control over it than he used to; not completely, but more than he previously could.

Well, as much as you can say Hachibi, looks calm and detatched, who's to say that he came along quietly? You don't know that for sure, and I highly doubt free Bijuus sealed away against their will into hosts will be happy. Nobody likes to be controlled, that's why I can see eye to eye with Kyuubi. Why would he, (the strongest) be willing to share a body with someone weaker than him? Kirabi probably had a hard time with Hachibi. But Kirabi is a way better fighter than Naruto, so I could kind of see why he would win over Hachibi's approval rather quickly. Yes, they are sharp, which means it took a lot of practicing to sync their fighting prowess together.

em....i just wanna ask a question concerning sage mode and the kyuubi...i think naruto was in sage mode wen the kyuubi was suppressed...is it possible he used sage mode to do that?dat whole ying yang thing i've been readin from other members i think is way too deep..sage mode might not be the way to control the kyuubi but it's definitely gonna play a part in suppressin it as u've see wit the eyes and if u ask me...i thin that's a lil bit of control there dont u think/

Who's to say? maybe you're right. I'm just basing my opinions on the recent events. I honestly, would not like SM to be the tool to controlling the NTF. A lot of ppl may wish that because they can't wait to see Naruto gain full control of it. It's a matter of patience. That's why you hear ppl coming up with a lot of wild theories. They don't have patience. If anything, I think Naruto should be the one to control it. I'll explain very bluntly; We've seen Naruto overcome odds that was way out of his league and everytime we saw this, we gave him props because it showed off his strong will as a character. Now, the NTF and Naruto have always been at each other's throat, more so the Kyuubi, since his attitude sucks, but is pretty cool for one of the main characters in the series. (Sort of like Vegeta in DBZ, hahahaha.....errrr) My main point is that, Naruto is good while Kyuubi is bad, and it would be a great way to show Naruto (good) overcoming Kyuubi (evil) with his own power, without SM, which is also an outside source that he managed to perfect. He's too strong willed as a character to use SM as a way to control Kyuubi. But Like I said, Kishi may not think the way I think, so he may use SM as a means of controlling Kyuubi. We'll have to find out.

[shikamau]

that was an awsome chapter the art was AWSOME!! i loved all the pics soo much narutos eye looked mad! it is going to be good hearing the rest of nagato's storey too. it seems he used his blood line limmit befor that time we saw befor. loved the chapter!

[Narutosage]

i though that they eye tech was what itatchi gave him because his eyes look more like a blood trait than just the ntf idk just wanting the manga to move a little bit further then again don't we all :)

[neijiman]

The first 2 statements I wouldn't comment on, because you totally missed what I was trying to say. (Although I thought it was pretty clear.)

Yondaime sealed the nine tails, yes, but that alone isn't enough to revert Naruto back to his regular form without injuries. (Skin burning off) Yamato's jutsu isn't that different from what Yondaime did. Yondaime sealed it, blocking/suppressing it, Yamato suppresses it also. When Yamato suppressed it, Naruto walked out with a couple burns. I'm sure the sealing method that Yondaime used has healing abilities Homie. That's just a little wild to think about at this point. Naruto seemed to have a high degree of control at that point. Remember, his whole demeanor changed once his father spoke to him and became a lot more focused than he used to be, which should show that he'll be a lot more resilient in the usage of Kyuubi's chakra and should have a greater control over it than he used to; not completely, but more than he previously could.

Well, as much as you can say Hachibi, looks calm and detatched, who's to say that he came along quietly? You don't know that for sure, and I highly doubt free Bijuus sealed away against their will into hosts will be happy. Nobody likes to be controlled, that's why I can see eye to eye with Kyuubi. Why would he, (the strongest) be willing to share a body with someone weaker than him? Kirabi probably had a hard time with Hachibi. But Kirabi is a way better fighter than Naruto, so I could kind of see why he would win over Hachibi's approval rather quickly. Yes, they are sharp, which means it took a lot of practicing to sync their fighting prowess together.



Who's to say? maybe you're right. I'm just basing my opinions on the recent events. I honestly, would not like SM to be the tool to controlling the NTF. A lot of ppl may wish that because they can't wait to see Naruto gain full control of it. It's a matter of patience. That's why you hear ppl coming up with a lot of wild theories. They don't have patience. If anything, I think Naruto should be the one to control it. I'll explain very bluntly; We've seen Naruto overcome odds that was way out of his league and everytime we saw this, we gave him props because it showed off his strong will as a character. Now, the NTF and Naruto have always been at each other's throat, more so the Kyuubi, since his attitude sucks, but is pretty cool for one of the main characters in the series. (Sort of like Vegeta in DBZ, hahahaha.....errrr) My main point is that, Naruto is good while Kyuubi is bad, and it would be a great way to show Naruto (good) overcoming Kyuubi (evil) with his own power, without SM, which is also an outside source that he managed to perfect. He's too strong willed as a character to use SM as a way to control Kyuubi. But Like I said, Kishi may not think the way I think, so he may use SM as a means of controlling Kyuubi. We'll have to find out.

sorry about that. i was a lil heated with the first two statements cause the general feeling of those who didn't like the combination of the ntf chakra and sage mode seemed to be that the combo didn't make sense. i was simply trying to break down the process and provide evidence of how it would be possible. it wasn't technically direted towards you although i felt your comment did embody some of those feelings

as for your statement about naruto supressing the kyuubi i don't think his demeanor says much. before returning to his normal self naruto had jus spoke to his childhood hero who turned out to be his father. i think that would change anyones attitude about a situation. the speed healing thing you mentioned does not change much either. nine tailed foxes speed healing plus sage chakra healing eqauls naruto returning with no superficial damge.

i won't comment on the hachibi thing cause i'm pretty sure i left that one up in the air

all in all (and this isn't directed towards you) i don't see why naruto needs two power ups that produce similar results. wat would be the point of opting to use one form of super strength over the other. the two powers are bouned to co mingle otherwise, why would kishi introduce sage mode.

[rajiv]

i think this chapter was quite boring, i hope the next one is better

[Mr_D3m0n]

I'd hug him if he did'nt look like a geriatric smelly old man 0.o.


In all seriousness tho,Kishi has got to get him out of that contraption,its making me sick just looking at it.


And it seems I was right,Nagato is'nt genuinely evil.....its actions that he's experienced which causes him to be this way.

I have a feeling,were also going to find out more about Salamander Hanzou aswell...after he talks about Yahiko.

id bet that it was salamander who was behind yahikos death

[Kane]

At least now we know that Nagato has some offensive capabilities even in his situation or is able to do something at least to defend himself...other than Naruto any other nin would be under the influence of his chakra controlling/distorting rods by now...another thing Nagato told konan to step back last chapter he may not be as helpless as he looks. Next chapter (this) seems to be just flashbacks and maybe the next will be too...wonder if Nagato will be able to fight in his current state?.

[Chris~sama]

id bet that it was salamander who was behind yahikos death



I highly doubt it. There's no way Nagato,Yahiko or Konan could have been able to kill Hanzou honestly. He'd have to use the 6 Pain bodies...my guess is Yahiko died before that incident.

[Trini Emperor]

sorry about that. i was a lil heated with the first two statements cause the general feeling of those who didn't like the combination of the ntf chakra and sage mode seemed to be that the combo didn't make sense. i was simply trying to break down the process and provide evidence of how it would be possible. it wasn't technically direted towards you although i felt your comment did embody some of those feelings

as for your statement about naruto supressing the kyuubi i don't think his demeanor says much. before returning to his normal self naruto had jus spoke to his childhood hero who turned out to be his father. i think that would change anyones attitude about a situation. the speed healing thing you mentioned does not change much either. nine tailed foxes speed healing plus sage chakra healing eqauls naruto returning with no superficial damge.

i won't comment on the hachibi thing cause i'm pretty sure i left that one up in the air

all in all (and this isn't directed towards you) i don't see why naruto needs two power ups that produce similar results. wat would be the point of opting to use one form of super strength over the other. the two powers are bouned to co mingle otherwise, why would kishi introduce sage mode.

Ok, cool. I don't mind the 2 powers being combined, but I just don't think it should be a method to control the Fox, that's all I'm saying.

Neijiman, come on dude. Sage Mode doesn't have healing factors. You know this. In Sage Mode, they don't experience fatigue or exhaustion until they run out of Sage Chakra; which leaves them very tired and easy to attack. When they get hit, they don't feel as much Pain as they regularly would.

I agree, I don't see why he needs 2 power ups, especially knowing that the Kyuubi's power is way more stronger than SM. But we all know why Kishi introduced SM. Simply because using the Kyuubi's power presents too much risk.
1. Naruto's life being shortened.
2. He loses his reason to think rationally and may kill one of his friends unconsciously.

[neijiman]

Ok, cool. I don't mind the 2 powers being combined, but I just don't think it should be a method to control the Fox, that's all I'm saying.

Neijiman, come on dude. Sage Mode doesn't have healing factors. You know this. In Sage Mode, they don't experience fatigue or exhaustion until they run out of Sage Chakra; which leaves them very tired and easy to attack. When they get hit, they don't feel as much Pain as they regularly would.

I agree, I don't see why he needs 2 power ups, especially knowing that the Kyuubi's power is way more stronger than SM. But we all know why Kishi introduced SM. Simply because using the Kyuubi's power presents too much risk.
1. Naruto's life being shortened.
2. He loses his reason to think rationally and may kill one of his friends unconsciously..

i'm not sure. in the chapter the word "recovery" is used in refferance to both the kyuubi and sage chakra

Proof: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/415/15/

i think this ones best left up to interperatation. with all the differant translations out there, both of us could be wrong.

at the end of the day though i see wat you mean. rather than having naruto fuse sage mode with kyuubi chakra to control it you'd want naruto to have so much control over kyuubi that he could blend the two together himself....if that makes sense

[Trini Emperor]

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i'm not sure. in the chapter the word "recovery" is used in refferance to both the kyuubi and sage chakra

Proof: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/415/15/

i think this ones best left up to interperatation. with all the differant translations out their, both of us could be wrong.

Well dude, I think it's rather easy to interpret what was said in the proof that you gave me.

Let me go into detail.

Fukusaku said that doing ninja techs with your own chakra exhaust you a lot.

Then he said, instead of using your own chakra to do ninja techs, you use Sage Chakra. Remember, Naruto has to use his regular spiritual chakra and physical chakra to balance Natural Energy.
Since most of the chakra you're using is Sage Chakra to do Ninja techs, SM is recovering your body from exhaustion more quickly than by regular means. That way, using strong Jutsus like Rasen Shuriken are like 10 x stronger than it used to be because Naruto's body isn't being exhausted like it was before when he first did it, and with SC, he can pump a lot more chakra into it to make it's power greater.

That's why he's only able to do 2 RS, but they are more jam-packed than his regualr, got me? And together with the Kyuubi's chakra, his recovery is even greater. After using SM, the user is suppose to be rendered exhausted, but with the aid of the Clones and the Kyuubi, Naruto's recovery is greater than anyone else's, which is why he's able to quickly achieve SM again after doing it once without getting exhausted. And we all know how much STAMINA Naruto has, which makes his recovery ridiculous. lolz.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/410/15/

[neijiman]

Well dude, I think it's rather easy to interpret what was said in the proof that you gave me.

Let me go into detail.

Fukusaku said that doing ninja techs with your own chakra exhaust you a lot.

Then he said, instead of using your own chakra to do ninja techs, you use Sage Chakra. Remember, Naruto has to use his regular spiritual chakra and physical chakra to balance Natural Energy.
Since most of the chakra you're using is Sage Chakra to do Ninja techs, SM is recovering your body from exhaustion more quickly than by regular means. That way, using strong Jutsus like Rasen Shuriken are like 10 x stronger than it used to be because Naruto's body isn't being exhausted like it was before when he first did it, and with SC, he can pump a lot more chakra into it to make it's power greater.

That's why he's only able to do 2 RS, but they are more jam-packed than his regualr, got me? And together with the Kyuubi's chakra, his recovery is even greater. After using SM, the user is suppose to be rendered exhausted, but with the aid of the Clones and the Kyuubi, Naruto's recovery is greater than anyone else's, which is why he's able to quickly achieve SM again after doing it once without getting exhausted. And we all know how much STAMINA Naruto has, which makes his recovery ridiculous. lolz.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/410/15/

makes sense but that still doesn't explain that fall from the mountain naruto took . naruto claimed the fall didn't even hurt let alone leave him damaged.

funny enough though, from your statements i spawned a new idea. because naruto doesn't get exausted while in sage mode, he could easily increase his normal strength, muscle mass, and speed by training while in sage mode. he doesn't get exausted so he could probly do rock lee's work load in a matter of seconds

[Darkette]

Well dude, I think it's rather easy to interpret what was said in the proof that you gave me.

Let me go into detail.

Fukusaku said that doing ninja techs with your own chakra exhaust you a lot.

Then he said, instead of using your own chakra to do ninja techs, you use Sage Chakra. Remember, Naruto has to use his regular spiritual chakra and physical chakra to balance Natural Energy.
Since most of the chakra you're using is Sage Chakra to do Ninja techs, SM is recovering your body from exhaustion more quickly than by regular means. That way, using strong Jutsus like Rasen Shuriken are like 10 x stronger than it used to be because Naruto's body isn't being exhausted like it was before when he first did it, and with SC, he can pump a lot more chakra into it to make it's power greater.

That's why he's only able to do 2 RS, but they are more jam-packed than his regualr, got me? And together with the Kyuubi's chakra, his recovery is even greater. After using SM, the user is suppose to be rendered exhausted, but with the aid of the Clones and the Kyuubi, Naruto's recovery is greater than anyone else's, which is why he's able to quickly achieve SM again after doing it once without getting exhausted. And we all know how much STAMINA Naruto has, which makes his recovery ridiculous. lolz.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/410/15/

What about when it comes to using nature's chakra? Using the chakra around you, which I think is what Naruto was trying to do during his first step in sage training. I think also Naruto has a bit of training to go before he even encounters the stronger forces (Tobi). I think there might even be one for Sasuke because his curse seal is gone, I doubt Kishimoto would do that without reasons.

Naruto needs to learn his father's jutsu's and learn about his mothers side, no? Lastly, Naruto has a lot more positive energy in him and that may increase his stamina, ya know? Then when that gets low, it effects himself and pretty much the positive energy could be beaten down by the negative energy of the Kyuubi.

I need to stop talking integers, I have algebra enough as it is.

[neijiman]

What about when it comes to using nature's chakra? Using the chakra around you, which I think is what Naruto was trying to do during his first step in sage training. I think also Naruto has a bit of training to go before he even encounters the stronger forces (Tobi). I think there might even be one for Sasuke because his curse seal is gone, I doubt Kishimoto would do that without reasons.

Naruto needs to learn his father's jutsu's and learn about his mothers side, no? Lastly, Naruto has a lot more positive energy in him and that may increase his stamina, ya know? Then when that gets low, it effects himself and pretty much the positive energy could be beaten down by the negative energy of the Kyuubi.

I need to stop talking integers, I have algebra enough as it is.

in the link i posted not long ago it stated that the kyuubi chakra only assisted the added stamina of sage mode. his statement wasn't jus conjecture it was fact. it says it right there in the manga. i don't know why everyones saying that kyuubi and sage mode are opposites. i will admit that i did subscibe to that theory when first introduced but it's starting to sound like more of a opinion statement.

seriously though guys drop the ftg stuff naruto's not gonna learn in cause it doesn't fit his style

[RavenArchangel]

I don't think SM will help Naruto control the fox at all. Even if it does come to that, it will be sort of retarded. We saw Naruto suppress the fox by himself during the fight with Pein already. Adding SM to the mix to help him control it, would make him suppressing it before, by himself without SM, a waste. This is something I think Naruto should learn to do on his own, just like Kirabi did with Hachibi, although we don't have that much details on how they were able to communicate with one another on a friendship level. But SM, if anything, should give way to a new power when mixed with the Kyuubi's. I highly doubt with Kyuubi's power alone, Naruto will be able to beat Madara; Maybe if he gets the other half of the NTF's Chakra, but who knows. So Kishi should start thinking about a new source of power for Naruto, or, a new way in which to balance out SM and Kyuubi's power together.

About the whole Ying Yang convo, what do you guys think will come of the other half of the Kyuubi's chakra?

Off topic: Hold crap, the posting level on this forum has dwindled considerably.

Likely because the recent chapters haven't been as good so people are starting to have less to say and losing intrest. I'm still at a loss for how the crap Sage mode and Kyuubi mode are mixing...and would like to see more on how Kirabi is able to get along with 8 -tails (and see more of them in general)
the basis of sage mode is blancing ones chakra with natural energy by mixing the two to create sage chakra. now wat i was trying to say in my previous post is that this time instead of combining his chakra with natural energy, naruto accidentally fused kyuubi's chakra with natural enegy inorder to create an alternate sage mode

proof: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/409/11/

EDIT: it says here that one must combine physical, natural and spiritual energy in order to create sage chakra. assuming that naruto's sudden combination of kyuubi's chakra and natural energy was imperfect, naruto may have quikly phased out of this alternate sage mode due to the fact that the kyuubi's yang/physical chakra was not their to balance the scale


naruto did not surpress the ntf himself in this fight. the remnant of the fourth's chakra sealed in naruto along with the kyuubi was responsible for that. i know that that may have been how pain may have interperated naruto's sudden transformation from 8 tailed kyuubi back to his normal form but that's not the case. the fourth resealed the kyuubi while in naruto's conciousness


i understand why you'd want naruto to control the ntf like kirabi does hachibi but naruto and kirabi's relationships with their bijuu (sorry if i flubbed that one) are very differeent. hachibi seems more calm and subserviant while kyuubi is more murderous and evil. now who knows how they got that way or if their behavior is due to the attitude they have towards their hosts but the two are in sharp contrast with one another in terms of personallity.

in terms of the whole kyuubi yang chakra thing. i think it ma alow naruto to summon a kind of remote kyuubi. thats only a rough theory at best though.

IMO none of the tailed beasts are totally "good" imo, Kirabi DEVELOPED a way to interact better with Hachibi. Yes, his personality might be different (probably is, note Shukaku is dif than Kyuubi in personality), but I doubt they got along at first either, I bet they had to develop that relationship (of course I could be wrong, but it makes the most sense) as for the image you provided: I'm not sure what you're getting at, but to me it brings up the question: Do you think Naruto will learn Genjutsu at some point? Anyone?
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i'm not sure. in the chapter the word "recovery" is used in refferance to both the kyuubi and sage chakra

Proof: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/415/15/

i think this ones best left up to interperatation. with all the differant translations out there, both of us could be wrong.

at the end of the day though i see wat you mean. rather than having naruto fuse sage mode with kyuubi chakra to control it you'd want naruto to have so much control over kyuubi that he could blend the two together himself....if that makes sense

Also don't forget the time that Naruto fell from the ledge, he healed quite well. Another thing: did anyone notice that Naruto Learning Sage mode at the same time as Sasuke fought Kirabi? Hidden Foreshadowing perhaps?

[RJSHU]

Overall an interesting chapter but it seemed to raise more questions than it answered (NTF+SM). How many major unanswered questions are there in regards to just this arc right now?

1. Kakashi dead or alive
2. Danzo's plan
3. Sasuke's plan
4. Kage summit
5. killer bee
6. NTF+SM=?

Am I missing any?

[neijiman]

Likely because the recent chapters haven't been as good so people are starting to have less to say and losing intrest. I'm still at a loss for how the crap Sage mode and Kyuubi mode are mixing...and would like to see more on how Kirabi is able to get along with 8 -tails (and see more of them in general)


IMO none of the tailed beasts are totally "good" imo, Kirabi DEVELOPED a way to interact better with Hachibi. Yes, his personality might be different (probably is, note Shukaku is dif than Kyuubi in personality), but I doubt they got along at first either, I bet they had to develop that relationship (of course I could be wrong, but it makes the most sense) as for the image you provided: I'm not sure what you're getting at, but to me it brings up the question: Do you think Naruto will learn Genjutsu at some point? Anyone?


Also don't forget the time that Naruto fell from the ledge, he healed quite well. Another thing: did anyone notice that Naruto Learning Sage mode at the same time as Sasuke fought Kirabi? Hidden Foreshadowing perhaps?

i mentioned the ledge thing in a post not long ago.

as the image i posted. i put it up as sort of a visual aid to to explain the process of how sage chakra is created. it was my hope that it would help enlighten those who thought the combination of the ntf chakra and narural energy didn't make sense

it seemed like evryone felt as though naruto combined sage mode with kyuubi. its my beleif that naruto either purposely or accidentally intergrated the kyuubi's chakra instead of his own in the process of creating sage chakra thus creating something entirely different from either sage mode or kyuubi

[peaceout8]

Overall an interesting chapter but it seemed to raise more questions than it answered (NTF+SM). How many major unanswered questions are there in regards to just this arc right now?

1. Kakashi dead or alive
2. Danzo's plan
3. Sasuke's plan
4. Kage summit
5. killer bee
6. NTF+SM=?

Am I missing any?

yeah, what power did itachi give naruto?

[Trini Emperor]

makes sense but that still doesn't explain that fall from the mountain naruto took . naruto claimed the fall didn't even hurt let alone leave him damaged.

funny enough though, from your statements i spawned a new idea. because naruto doesn't get exausted while in sage mode, he could easily increase his normal strength, muscle mass, and speed by training while in sage mode. he doesn't get exausted so he could probly do rock lee's work load in a matter of seconds

Oh, easy, read this.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/418/07/
Fukusaku said that Naruto's body was activated in a number of ways, and if I'm not mistaken, their was another translation that stated while in SM, your body's muscles become a lot harder and can take a lot more damage than humanly possible. Which would explain why Naruto is able to do Rasen Shuriken now.

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Hermit_Mode
Read this until I find the other translation.

What about when it comes to using nature's chakra? Using the chakra around you, which I think is what Naruto was trying to do during his first step in sage training. I think also Naruto has a bit of training to go before he even encounters the stronger forces (Tobi). I think there might even be one for Sasuke because his curse seal is gone, I doubt Kishimoto would do that without reasons.

Naruto needs to learn his father's jutsu's and learn about his mothers side, no? Lastly, Naruto has a lot more positive energy in him and that may increase his stamina, ya know? Then when that gets low, it effects himself and pretty much the positive energy could be beaten down by the negative energy of the Kyuubi.

I need to stop talking integers, I have algebra enough as it is.

WTF????!!!!!
I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about bro. Naruto has been using Nature Chakra the whole time.

[yungartz]

Oh, easy, read this.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/418/07/
Fukusaku said that Naruto's body was activated in a number of ways, and if I'm not mistaken, their was another translation that stated while in SM, your body's muscles become a lot harder and can take a lot more damage than humanly possible. Which would explain why Naruto is able to do Rasen Shuriken now.



This is the only translation i can find that relates more to naruto rather then any other sage user http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/415/15/ But i do c what your talking about. and i do remember theire being another translation to.

[RJSHU]

Does frog katas remind anyone else of the basics of the Hyuuga Clans gentle fist taijutsu. How Naruto dose not have to hit his opponent to inflict damage.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/431/13/

Also the way sage mode allows Naruto to feel others chakra, also reminds me of the Hyuuga clans techniques.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/431/03/

They are obviously not the same thing and neither is derived from the other but sage mode just reminds me of the Byakugan in some ways, anyone else?

[shikamau]

from this chapter it i dont think that NTF+SM can be fused, i think that they can happen inside naruto's body simitasly was we see but i dont think they can be fused together form a new justu, mode or chakra type for naruto to use. i now hink that they are two totaly seperate things thats have nothing to do with each other in terms of combining.

[yungartz]

i mentioned the ledge thing in a post not long ago.

as the image i posted. i put it up as sort of a visual aid to to explain the process of how sage chakra is created. it was my hope that it would help enlighten those who thought the combination of the ntf chakra and narural energy didn't make sense

it seemed like evryone felt as though naruto combined sage mode with kyuubi. its my beleif that naruto either purposely or accidentally intergrated the kyuubi's chakra instead of his own in the process of creating sage chakra thus creating something entirely different from either sage mode or kyuubi

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/444/04/

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/444/05/

If im correct , right here it is trying to state that naruto did this on purpose to try and show pain what he is feeling , maybe he did not try and combine the 2 powers bbut he did try and make pain feel the kyuubi.

[neijiman]

Oh, easy, read this.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/418/07/
Fukusaku said that Naruto's body was activated in a number of ways, and if I'm not mistaken, their was another translation that stated while in SM, your body's muscles become a lot harder and can take a lot more damage than humanly possible. Which would explain why Naruto is able to do Rasen Shuriken now.

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Hermit_Mode
Read this until I find the other translation.



WTF????!!!!!
I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about bro. Naruto has been using Nature Chakra the whole time.

ok, for now this battles yours. i looked on wikia and it seems that sage chakra does make an individuals body more durable. i still don't think naruto surpressed the demon fox on his own though. regardless of wether or or naruto healed, the fact that remains that naruto doesn't know how to surpresss the fox. no amount of positive feelings can suddeenly give him the the ability to do something that he was never once able to do his whole life. literally almost everytime naruto has used the ninetails he nearly lost control.

this was a good lil back and fourth though plus rep . you have sum damn good points and if their is anyone on here that can prove me wrong i think its you

[neijiman]

Does frog katas remind anyone else of the basics of the Hyuuga Clans gentle fist taijutsu. How Naruto dose not have to hit his opponent to inflict damage.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/431/13/

Also the way sage mode allows Naruto to feel others chakra, also reminds me of the Hyuuga clans techniques.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/431/03/

They are obviously not the same thing and neither is derived from the other but sage mode just reminds me of the Byakugan in some ways, anyone else?

i think because it is just advanced chakra control, gentle fist can be used by anyone. the byakugan likely just allows the user to use in to it's full potential

[Six Paths Sage]

I've been gone for a week so I don't know if anyone has asked these questions or posted the same comments but so there can be a kyuubi/sage chakra fusion? This also goes back to my question, did nagato and yahiko bait jiraiya into training them to fight and use their abilities? Remeber, orphan nagato did say the leaf ninja killed his family and to end my questions does anyone else think that sasuke and nagato's lives are very similar?

[Chris~sama]

I've been gone for a week so I don't know if anyone has asked these questions or posted the same comments but so there can be a kyuubi/sage chakra fusion? This also goes back to my question, did nagato and yahiko bait jiraiya into training them to fight and use their abilities? Remeber, orphan nagato did say the leaf ninja killed his family and to end my questions does anyone else think that sasuke and nagato's lives are very similar?

bait? no.....You forget Nagato was a very soft spoken child...he did'nt say much,was shy and looked rather depressed most of the time. At the sametime,he's not a hott head either,they were both hungry and starving for food.....truth is,the ninja had crackers....so they were desperate.I'm sure even you would putt aside your differences with your enemy if it ment saving your life. Also,I don't think Nagato's deep seeded hatred for Konoha began with his parents death. I believe that it was a trigger,but not enough for him to be completely hostile to the village itself. I think its after Jiraiya left,something happened to them....hence the reason Nagato despises anything related to Konoha.

Perhaps Orochimaru attempted to do something?

[RavenArchangel]

I just thought about somthing that would be stupidly funny yet possible: what if Naruto finds the answer and Nagato excepts it? It'd be funny to hear him call Naruto GOD. XD meh, more likely he'll not accept it at first and then be punched and then accepts it through somthing else Naruto says. LOL and then says somthin like "Even somone who isn't God could find the answer when I, as a god, could not. He truly is the child that blah blah blah Jiraiya spoke of and not I." It'd be an interesting moment.
i think because it is just advanced chakra control, gentle fist can be used by anyone. the byakugan likely just allows the user to use in to it's full potential
Thats what I think. Hence why my Naruto Fanfic has Anji using it, but he points out he can't do it as well as a Hyuuga.

BTW: Gambit FTW (Speaking of gambit..I'm mad I couldn't find that bootleg of X-men: Origions: Wolverine..meh its gonna be out in the month of my 20th birthday [may] anyways)

[neijiman]

bait? no.....You forget Nagato was a very soft spoken child...he did'nt say much,was shy and looked rather depressed most of the time. At the sametime,he's not a hott head either,they were both hungry and starving for food.....truth is,the ninja had crackers....so they were desperate.I'm sure even you would putt aside your differences with your enemy if it ment saving your life. Also,I don't think Nagato's deep seeded hatred for Konoha began with his parents death. I believe that it was a trigger,but not enough for him to be completely hostile to the village itself. I think its after Jiraiya left,something happened to them....hence the reason Nagato despises anything related to Konoha.

Perhaps Orochimaru attempted to do something?

meh. i don't see why their would be much intrest in nagato's past. sure there are a few loose ends i'd like for there to be tied up like why nagato chose jiraya's fallen foes (except yahiko) to create samsara realms. other than that pain's shelf life in this manga has worn out IMO

I just thought about somthing that would be stupidly funny yet possible: what if Naruto finds the answer and Nagato excepts it? It'd be funny to hear him call Naruto GOD. XD meh, more likely he'll not accept it at first and then be punched and then accepts it through somthing else Naruto says. LOL and then says somthin like "Even somone who isn't God could find the answer when I, as a god, could not. He truly is the child that blah blah blah Jiraiya spoke of and not I." It'd be an interesting moment.

Thats what I think. Hence why my Naruto Fanfic has Anji using it, but he points out he can't do it as well as a Hyuuga.

BTW: Gambit FTW (Speaking of gambit..I'm mad I couldn't find that bootleg of X-men: Origions: Wolverine..meh its gonna be out in the month of my 20th birthday [may] anyways)

lol. i did sum research on gambit and found out were hs power comes from and wat it's basis was. he was always my favorite marvel character but after reading up about him i discovered that he's completely bad ass.

i think he can take quite a few people from naruto (i'm so not jokin this time)

[yungartz]

ok, for now this battles yours. i looked on wikia and it seems that sage chakra does make an individuals body more durable. i still don't think naruto surpressed the demon fox on his own though. regardless of wether or or naruto healed, the fact that remains that naruto doesn't know how to surpresss the fox. no amount of positive feelings can suddeenly give him the the ability to do something that he was never once able to do his whole life. literally almost everytime naruto has used the ninetails he nearly lost control.

this was a good lil back and fourth though plus rep . you have sum damn good points and if their is anyone on here that can prove me wrong i think its you

when yo say wiki do you mean Wikipedia the free encyclopedia , if so i must tell you for future debates you should not use that. It is true that some of their information can be correct however anyone can go on that and add what they want to the description , without even signing up or anything so i would 100% trust that encyclopedia.
I have done it before , not cool.
meh. i don't see why their would be much intrest in nagato's past. sure there are a few loose ends i'd like for there to be tied up like why nagato chose jiraya's fallen foes (except yahiko) to create samsara realms. other than that pain's shelf life in this manga has worn out IMO



lol. i did sum research on gambit and found out were hs power comes from and wat it's basis was. he was always my favorite marvel character but after reading up about him i discovered that he's completely bad ass.

i think he can take quite a few people from naruto (i'm so not jokin this time)

yeah right haha....where does his powers come from ( I find gambit an interesting X-Men character ) , i would like to hear more about him

[neijiman]

when yo say wiki do you mean Wikipedia the free encyclopedia , if so i must tell you for future debates you should not use that. It is true that some of their information can be correct however anyone can go on that and add what they want to the description , without even signing up or anything so i would 100% trust that encyclopedia.
I have done it before , not cool.


yeah right haha....where does his powers come from ( I find gambit an interesting X-Men character ) , i would like to hear more about him

your right but the statement about natual energy increasing ones stamina was reflected in the manga as well. i usually only refferance info directly from the manga but i made an exception this once

as for gambit he can control potential/kinetic energy and all their suplimentary forms. at first i thout "pfff no big deal" but then i rembered how many things have a kinetic flow. kinetic flow encompasses every thing from time to the reproduction of cells. so bassically gambits like god realm pain on steroids:D:nuts:

[yungartz]

Its good to hear you dont get all your info from wiki.

and as for gambit. Holy shit you must be joking me. i never knew he can control potential and kinetic energy. thats amazing still. thats pretty amazing cuz if i understand that hole thing well enough if something doesn't have kinetic energy then its going to have potential , and if it dont have potential then its most likely going to have kinetic. its basicaly energy it self ( well not rely , depending on how you interrupt it ) thats pretty cool. i look at gambit from a hole new perspective now.

[neijiman]

Its good to hear you dont get all your info from wiki.

and as for gambit. Holy shit you must be joking me. i never knew he can control potential and kinetic energy. thats amazing still. thats pretty amazing cuz if i understand that hole thing well enough if something doesn't have kinetic energy then its going to have potential , and if it dont have potential then its most likely going to have kinetic.

yeah he speeds up the molecules in solid objects to the point that they become unstable and explode(thats how he does the whole playing card thing). pretty cool eh. nagato ftl...lol. i think we better chill with the marvel convo though. i could do without the suck ups reporting me

[yungartz]

yeah he speeds up the molecules in solid objects to the point that they become unstable and explode(thats how he does the whole playing card thing). pretty cool eh. nagato ftl...lol. i think we better chill with the marvel convo though. i could do without the suck ups reporting me

I dont mean to offend anyone on the site but personal........I hate suck ups , like its not bad to report someone for a good reason but ( i dont like reporting period ) ......let me not get started haha but the main reason why people go off subject on a thread is because people dont start much debates or nothing.

but aside from that what jutsu do you think comes with the toad key/scroll because i dont know why i just find that that subject interests me.

[neijiman]

I dont mean to offend anyone on the site but personal........I hate suck ups , like its not bad to report someone for a good reason but ( i dont like reporting period ) ......let me not get started haha but the main reason why people go off subject on a thread is because people dont start much debates or nothing.

but aside from that what jutsu do you think comes with the toad key/scroll because i dont know why i just find that that subject interests me.

i'm thinkin it may be the other half of the kyuubi's chakra. if kishi wants to go anywere with the whole kyuubi+sage mode thing that'll have to be introduced

[yungartz]

i'm thinkin it may be the other half of the kyuubi's chakra. if kishi wants to go anywere with the whole kyuubi+sage mode thing that'll have to be introduced

I think it would all depends on where kishi wants to go with SMK ( Sage Mode Kyuubi ) . For some reason i have a rely big feeling that the TRDS ( The Reaper Death Seal ) is not complete.

[neijiman]

I think it would all depends on where kishi wants to go with SMK ( Sage Mode Kyuubi ) . For some reason i have a rely big feeling that the TRDS ( The Reaper Death Seal ) is not complete.

yeah for all we know the whole smk thing coulda been a one time fluke. my hope is that its not because as i've expressed before their is hardly any point in naruto having 2 power ups that vary very little in terms of the effects they produce

[yungartz]

yeah for all we know the whole smk thing coulda been a one time fluke. my hope is that its not because as i've expressed before their is hardly any point in naruto having 2 power ups that vary very little in terms of the effects they produce

Yes but it will be nice for him to have a power up that doesn't kill him over time. i hope it wasn't a fluke ether. I am sure we are going to see SMK again because to me it would just make no sense to show it and then not keep it. If it was a fluke this time i dont want it to be a fluke next time i want him to train at that

[neijiman]

Yes but it will be nice for him to have a power up that doesn't kill him over time. i hope it wasn't a fluke ether. I am sure we are going to see SMK again because to me it would just make no sense to show it and then not keep it. If it was a fluke this time i dont want it to be a fluke next time i want him to train at that

as do i. naruto having the ability to combine sagemode+kyuubi would mean he would have control over the kyuubi in atleat sum way shape or form (wether that be he uses sage mode to manipulate kyuubi or he gains control over the kyuubi and there by is able to combine the two

[yungartz]

as do i. naruto having the ability to combine sagemode+kyuubi would mean he would have control over the kyuubi in atleat sum way shape or form (wether that be he uses sage mode to manipulate kyuubi or he gains control over the kyuubi and there by is able to combine the two

I think naruto still needs to work on his skills without power ups before he gets their and before he gets the other half of the nine tails chakra.

I know the fight between sasuke and naruto is going to be intense as hell. well if i was to put it correctly........it better be.

ima do a cuple things but a reply would be nice

[neijiman]

I think naruto still needs to work on his skills without power ups before he gets their and before he gets the other half of the nine tails chakra.

I know the fight between sasuke and naruto is going to be intense as hell. well if i was to put it correctly........it better be.

ima do a cuple things but a reply would be nice

funny you should mention that. during a dabate between triniprince andmyself a statement he made helped me discover how sage mode would be an extremely useful in training to improve naruto's normal strength

[yungartz]

funny you should mention that. during a dabate between triniprince andmyself a statement he made helped me discover how sage mode would be an extremely useful in training to improve naruto's normal strength

Haha yes i seen what you said and that could be true but if i made the show i would not want my main character getting strong through the help of something like sage mode. i would prefer him get strong by training his own self if you know what i mean.

[neijiman]

Haha yes i seen what you said and that could be true but if i made the show i would not want my main character getting strong through the help of something like sage mode. i would prefer him get strong by training his own self if you know what i mean.

i wouldn't mind so much. regardless of wether or not sage mode is an outside power source or not it doesn't change the fact he had to train to obtain it. not to mention the fact that it has a few flaws like the fact that it only lasts five minutes and that naruto has to resort to alternative means in order to maintain it. because of the shadow clones naruto already breezes through training that would take most people months or years to complete so using sage mode to quicken this already fast training method would not be completely out there.

your certainly entitled to your opinion though and i can definately understand why you as well as a few others would feel that way but i jus don't see sage mode the way everyone else does. the only reason i even refer to it as a power up is so that i can relate to you guys

[yungartz]

i wouldn't mind so much. regardless of wether or not sage mode is an outside power source or not it doesn't change the fact he had to train to obtain it. not to mention the fact that it has a few flaws like the fact that it only lasts five minutes and that naruto has to resort to alternative means in order to maintain it. because of the shadow clones naruto already breezes through trainig that would take most people months or years to complete so using sage mode to quiken this already fast training method would not be completely out there.

your certainly entitled to your opinion though and i can definately understand why you as well as a few others would feel that way but i jus don't see sage mode the way everyone else does. the only reason i even refer to it as a power up is so that i can relate to you guys

lol nice thought.

I can see why your entitled to yours. The only reason why i consider it a power up is because it resembles the kyuubi state in many ways . Like the increase of deffence , strength , rejuvenation speed and chakra. when you think of a power up these are the things you would most likely think of. Other then that you couldn't rely call it a power up because it is a shinobi technique. Not to mention that to do an actual sage tech ( if i am not mistaken ) you need to combine natural spiritual and physical energy to do it. I am not to sure , i am skeptical about that one but i swore i seen it somewhere.

I can defiantly see why you stick to yours though.

[CharlesWenzel]

I love how people ***** about how powered up Naruto is, all the damn time. Let's take a moment to look at all of the other powerful shinobi.

Sasuke: cursed seal, sharingan, orochimaru's drug enhancements.
kakashi: sharingan
madara: eternal mangekyo sharingan
nagato: rinnegan
neji: byakugan
kisame: omg hax chakra absorbing sword samehada
itachi: sharingan

I'm hoping that at least one of you sees some sort of a pattern to this.. Does it matter in the end how the power is attained? No, power is power in the end.. Kisame wouldn't just say, oh hey you know what, this thought just occurred to me.. Yeah you know, my sword is really overpowered and I'll probably defeat you rather easily, I think perhaps I won't use it. Hell no, it's all about having the advantage to someones weakness that matters..
Even in the manga itself everyone busts on naruto trying to make him feel weak for using the kyuubis chakra because it isn't his own.. Well, it's in his body, correct? It's at his disposal to use, correct? Then it's his..
Hey heres a thought hypocrite, oh I mean Yamato, how about you don't use the first hokage's wood element jutsu, because y'know, it's not your power, it was hashiramas, ahh but you say it is yours regardless the fact that it wasn't naturally placed upon you?

[yungartz]

I love how people ***** about how powered up Naruto is, all the damn time. Let's take a moment to look at all of the other powerful shinobi.

Sasuke: cursed seal, sharingan, orochimaru's drug enhancements.
kakashi: sharingan
madara: eternal mangekyo sharingan
nagato: rinnegan
neji: byakugan
kisame: omg hax chakra absorbing sword samehada
itachi: sharingan

I'm hoping that at least one of you sees some sort of a pattern to this.. Does it matter in the end how the power is attained? No, power is power in the end.. Kisame wouldn't just say, oh hey you know what, this thought just occurred to me.. Yeah you know, my sword is really overpowered and I'll probably defeat you rather easily, I think perhaps I won't use it. Hell no, it's all about having the advantage to someones weakness that matters..
Even in the manga itself everyone busts on naruto trying to make him feel weak for using the kyuubis chakra because it isn't his own.. Well, it's in his body, correct? It's at his disposal to use, correct? Then it's his..
Hey heres a thought hypocrite, oh I mean Yamato, how about you don't use the first hokage's wood element jutsu, because y'know, it's not your power, it was hashiramas, ahh but you say it is yours regardless the fact that it wasn't naturally placed upon you?

Number one...you dont have to worry about swearing around me cuz i dont care at all.

number two......I see what you are saying , naruto is not overpowered. For example even if he had sage mode , if he did not have info on pain he would have lost. Also his abilitys to multitask with his shadow clones and his huge chakra level that was one of the very things that made him able to use sage mode so much. Like i stated before , the only reason you can consider SM-Sage Mode a power up is because it has all the things in it that you can consider to be a power up example.

Power up in strength
Power up in Deffence
Power up in Speed
and rejuvenation not to mention chakra increase. Main idea here is the POWER UP.

number three i see where you are coming from but you cannot count the sharingan as a power up. sasuke and itachi were born with it it is not there fault and its their blood line. For example if someones mom had disability's that could be passed down to you , yet is that your fault. Madara obtained his fair. Reason being is because the EMS is one of the secrets of the sharingan and you have to give him credit for him being the first to get that far. Kakashi got his fair , if the story is how it says in the manga then you can consider it a gift from a friend. Obito was going to die anyway so may as well put them to good use. Renningan and byakugan are the same shit. They are blood line so you cant count them. drug enhancements yes i guess you could depending on how you interrupt it.

As for kisame......im not to sure on his background because they haven't necessarily said to much about it but im sure he earned that sword for a reason.

I would not consider the kyuubi his own power because he was not born with it , it belongs to the fox and its not his own original power it had to be seal in him. If it was his power then naruto can be considered one of the strongest in the series even when he was 12. Yes it helps him but its not his power. For some reason naruto had the power to width stand the evil chakra but i think thats because he had the 1st neckless im not sure or just because he had a huge level of chakra.

Yamato dose not think the power is his , he may have just said the word " His " rather then get into description of how it got placed in him a etc.

Sorry i cannot answer your opinion to my best but im kinda tired and not in the mood but i hope you see why i said all this and i hope for a reply.

[CharlesWenzel]

Number one...you dont have to worry about swearing around me cuz i dont care at all.

number two......I see what you are saying , naruto is not overpowered. For example even if he had sage mode , if he did not have info on pain he would have lost. Also his abilitys to multitask with his shadow clones and his huge chakra level that was one of the very things that made him able to use sage mode so much. Like i stated before , the only reason you can consider SM-Sage Mode a power up is because it has all the things in it that you can consider to be a power up example.

Power up in strength
Power up in Deffence
Power up in Speed
and rejuvenation not to mention chakra increase. Main idea here is the POWER UP.

number three i see where you are coming from but you cannot count the sharingan as a power up. sasuke and itachi were born with it it is not there fault and its their blood line. For example if someones mom had disability's that could be passed down to you , yet is that your fault. Madara obtained his fair. Reason being is because the EMS is one of the secrets of the sharingan and you have to give him credit for him being the first to get that far. Kakashi got his fair , if the story is how it says in the manga then you can consider it a gift from a friend. Obito was going to die anyway so may as well put them to good use. Renningan and byakugan are the same shit. They are blood line so you cant count them. drug enhancements yes i guess you could depending on how you interrupt it.

As for kisame......im not to sure on his background because they haven't necessarily said to much about it but im sure he earned that sword for a reason.

I would not consider the kyuubi his own power because he was not born with it , it belongs to the fox and its not his own original power it had to be seal in him. If it was his power then naruto can be considered one of the strongest in the series even when he was 12. Yes it helps him but its not his power. For some reason naruto had the power to width stand the evil chakra but i think thats because he had the 1st neckless im not sure or just because he had a huge level of chakra.

Yamato dose not think the power is his , he may have just said the word " His " rather then get into description of how it got placed in him a etc.

Sorry i cannot answer your opinion to my best but im kinda tired and not in the mood but i hope you see why i said all this and i hope for a reply.

Yeah you just totally contradicted yourself... And I won't even waste my time in pointing it out like I'm a special education teacher.

[Byasharinnegan]

Yeah you just totally contradicted yourself... And I won't even waste my time in pointing it out like I'm a special education teacher.

I think he has a good point. I've been thinking about this theory for the past 3 months of my life (nevermind me neglecting to bathe, go to work, or do any of my homework) anyway. I think that Naruto will take the rinnegan eyes and implant them into himself. Then maybe later on down the road he could aquire either the Byakugan or the Sharingan from killing Sasuke or whoever. This way when people whine about him being overpowered and using all these jutsu's that arent "his", they will be justified. Just a bit of fan service I think.

[yungartz]

Yeah you just totally contradicted yourself... And I won't even waste my time in pointing it out like I'm a special education teacher.

no need to cuz im sure i seen it my self and if im right it is about kakashi. But he is powerful for a reason not just because he has the sharingan. Why do you think naruto dose not have the sharingan. Because he is an idiot compared to those who use it ( sorta speak ) . you have to be intelligent to use the sharingan and thats what kakashi is. without intelligence the sharingan would be of no use to him.

you being a special education teacher means nothing to me cuz i couldn't care less and you stating that is obviously you trying to fill proud of your self and showing off . You would think a Special education teacher would notice the words tired and not in the mood. but im in the mood now seeing as you want to give attitude and still somewhat tired but yet i know I can still prove my point.

come on man let me hear what you have to say. i would like to continue

[CharlesWenzel]

no need to cuz im sure i seen it my self and if im right it is about kakashi. But he is powerful for a reason not just because he has the sharingan. Why do you think naruto dose not have the sharingan. Because he is an idiot compared to those who use it ( sorta speak ) . you have to be intelligent to use the sharingan and thats what kakashi is. without intelligence the sharingan would be of no use to him.

you being a special education teacher means nothing to me cuz i couldn't care less and you stating that is obviously you trying to fill proud of your self and showing off

come on man let me hear what you have to say. i would like to continue

Not worth the effort.

[yungartz]

Not worth the effort.

LMFAO your an idiot because if you rely had somen to say you would have said it and if i was not worth it you would not spend your time typing your not worth it. you would have said what you wanted to say instead of typing your not worth it.

I think we both see who the one is thats not worth it. o and it would make more sense to prove your point then to sit here typing not worth the effort. i have to re say it like 5 times because u must not be able to comprehend what im saying LMFAO

[Don Kaimei]

Just as I predicted.

Naruto will learn about Nagato's past and we finally find out his past. We should be able to see what happened to Yahiko now, since its almost inevitable that his death was the second source of Nagato's pain. I know people aren't happy, but I think this is a great chapter and the chapters to come will be very interesting. Storyline is extremely important people, lol. :laugh:

I'm pretty satisfied with how everything has been going, I like how Kishi is putting this together thus far. However most people here are a tough crowd, lol. I was hoping for more from the Rin'nengan, however I'm not disappointed. Its a very interesting Kekke Genkai, and even though it isn't completely "offensive-vision-oriented" (probably didn't make sense :laugh:) it is still pretty kick-ass. So in a nutshell, I want to learn more about Nagato, and it will be covered in the next 5-10 chapters. Hopefully we will see some shots of where the other teams are at some point. Hawk, Cloud, Sand, Kirabi, etc.

[CharlesWenzel]

LMFAO your an idiot because if you rely had somen to say you would have said it and if i was not worth it you would not spend your time typing your not worth it. you would have said what you wanted to say instead of typing your not worth it.

I think we both see who the one is thats not worth it. o and it would make more sense to prove your point then to sit here typing not worth the effort. i have to re say it like 5 times because u must not be able to comprehend what im saying LMFAO



Sigh, looks like I've got to hold the retards hand and pound it into his head step by step.

look at Obito, he was born with the sharingan, he was a dumb ass, just like naruto, right? soon as he unlocks his sharingan, he can see through the enemies jutsus like nothing, his senses were heightened and he was acting on par if not quicker than kakashi at that current moment.. So you are saying to me that naruto would need to be intelligent to be able to use the sharingan to see through peoples jutsu's, yada yada yada yada?
Yeah kakashi wasn't born with the sharingan, it was given to him, just like the fox was given to naruto, doesn't mean kakashi won't use the sharingan in every one of his fights, nor does that mean naruto through some sort of self pride shouldn't ever use the foxes power for his own bidding.. What the **** do you think madara was doing with the fox in the first place?

Now go back in your cage ****in retard nub *****, before i slap you down again

[Hokage Naruto]

sweet sig yung

[doger]

Just as I predicted.

Naruto will learn about Nagato's past and we finally find out his past. We should be able to see what happened to Yahiko now, since its almost inevitable that his death was the second source of Nagato's pain. I know people aren't happy, but I think this is a great chapter and the chapters to come will be very interesting. Storyline is extremely important people, lol. :laugh:

I'm pretty satisfied with how everything has been going, I like how Kishi is putting this together thus far. However most people here are a tough crowd, lol. I was hoping for more from the Rin'nengan, however I'm not disappointed. Its a very interesting Kekke Genkai, and even though it isn't completely "offensive-vision-oriented" (probably didn't make sense :laugh:) it is still pretty kick-ass. So in a nutshell, I want to learn more about Nagato, and it will be covered in the next 5-10 chapters. Hopefully we will see some shots of where the other teams are at some point. Hawk, Cloud, Sand, Kirabi, etc.

Agreed.

I also think what I was saying last week is true after reading the chapter.
Nagato's obviously not afraid of Naruto, Konan keeps telling him to do something....I'm starting to think he can use the Rinnegan to it's fullest in his own body, and he couldn't do it through Pain.

I really hope he can fight by himself. Or he can at least do a few more tricks with the Rinnegan and double team with Konan. That would be a major twist.

[Don Kaimei]

Agreed.

I also think what I was saying last week is true after reading the chapter.
Nagato's obviously not afraid of Naruto, Konan keeps telling him to do something....I'm starting to think he can use the Rinnegan to it's fullest in his own body, and he couldn't do it through Pain.

I really hope he can fight by himself. Or he can at least do a few more tricks with the Rinnegan and double team with Konan. That would be a major twist.

I would double team Konan. I mean yeah I agree. :laugh:

[manofonetitle]

Sigh, looks like I've got to hold the retards hand and pound it into his head step by step.

look at Obito, he was born with the sharingan, he was a dumb ass, just like naruto, right? soon as he unlocks his sharingan, he can see through the enemies jutsus like nothing, his senses were heightened and he was acting on par if not quicker than kakashi at that current moment.. So you are saying to me that naruto would need to be intelligent to be able to use the sharingan to see through peoples jutsu's, yada yada yada yada?
Yeah kakashi wasn't born with the sharingan, it was given to him, just like the fox was given to naruto, doesn't mean kakashi won't use the sharingan in every one of his fights, nor does that mean naruto through some sort of self pride shouldn't ever use the foxes power for his own bidding.. What the **** do you think madara was doing with the fox in the first place?

Now go back in your cage ****in retard nub *****, before i slap you down again

You know, for SOME reason, the pink text makes this post hilarious.

The more and more I think about it, the more Nagato reminds me of Gaara. Gaara was a total dick in the beginning, with an "I'm going to destroy everyone because my life sucks" attitude. Naruto could possibly TRY to do the "power of good" effect over Nagato like he did with Gaara, but I doubt that would work. I think Nagato's going to be a goner after this, but I could be wrong.

[Naruto]

Just as I predicted.

Naruto will learn about Nagato's past and we finally find out his past. We should be able to see what happened to Yahiko now, since its almost inevitable that his death was the second source of Nagato's pain. I know people aren't happy, but I think this is a great chapter and the chapters to come will be very interesting. Storyline is extremely important people, lol. :laugh:

I'm pretty satisfied with how everything has been going, I like how Kishi is putting this together thus far. However most people here are a tough crowd, lol. I was hoping for more from the Rin'nengan, however I'm not disappointed. Its a very interesting Kekke Genkai, and even though it isn't completely "offensive-vision-oriented" (probably didn't make sense :laugh:) it is still pretty kick-ass. So in a nutshell, I want to learn more about Nagato, and it will be covered in the next 5-10 chapters. Hopefully we will see some shots of where the other teams are at some point. Hawk, Cloud, Sand, Kirabi, etc.
I concur.
Sigh, looks like I've got to hold the retards hand and pound it into his head step by step.

look at Obito, he was born with the sharingan, he was a dumb ass, just like naruto, right? soon as he unlocks his sharingan, he can see through the enemies jutsus like nothing, his senses were heightened and he was acting on par if not quicker than kakashi at that current moment.. So you are saying to me that naruto would need to be intelligent to be able to use the sharingan to see through peoples jutsu's, yada yada yada yada?
Yeah kakashi wasn't born with the sharingan, it was given to him, just like the fox was given to naruto, doesn't mean kakashi won't use the sharingan in every one of his fights, nor does that mean naruto through some sort of self pride shouldn't ever use the foxes power for his own bidding.. What the **** do you think madara was doing with the fox in the first place?

Now go back in your cage ****in retard nub *****, before i slap you down again
Kind sir, you have officially pwnd this person.

Now then, my expectations:



Learning about Nagato's past
Naruto contemplating on forgiving Nagato (?)
Naruto crying for Nagato's suffering
Mutual understanding
A new bond; of students

I do hope these things happen.

Please, discuss. :)

[Trini Emperor]

ok, for now this battles yours. i looked on wikia and it seems that sage chakra does make an individuals body more durable. i still don't think naruto surpressed the demon fox on his own though. regardless of wether or or naruto healed, the fact that remains that naruto doesn't know how to surpresss the fox. no amount of positive feelings can suddeenly give him the the ability to do something that he was never once able to do his whole life. literally almost everytime naruto has used the ninetails he nearly lost control.

this was a good lil back and fourth though plus rep . you have sum damn good points and if their is anyone on here that can prove me wrong i think its you

Bro, credit goes to you as well man. You're becoming very strong willed and you almost made me give up lolz. You maybe right about Naruto not being able suppress the Kyuubi, but he has to start sometime, you know?

[yungartz]

Sigh, looks like I've got to hold the retards hand and pound it into his head step by step.

look at Obito, he was born with the sharingan, he was a dumb ass, just like naruto, right? soon as he unlocks his sharingan, he can see through the enemies jutsus like nothing, his senses were heightened and he was acting on par if not quicker than kakashi at that current moment.. So you are saying to me that naruto would need to be intelligent to be able to use the sharingan to see through peoples jutsu's, yada yada yada yada?
Yeah kakashi wasn't born with the sharingan, it was given to him, just like the fox was given to naruto, doesn't mean kakashi won't use the sharingan in every one of his fights, nor does that mean naruto through some sort of self pride shouldn't ever use the foxes power for his own bidding.. What the **** do you think madara was doing with the fox in the first place?

Now go back in your cage ****in retard nub *****, before i slap you down again

took lon enough to get a rise out of you lol

please dont put words in my mouth because i did not say he would need to be intelligent to see through peoples jutsu all i said was he needs to be intelligent to use it ( as in use it to its full power ) . I did not mean an idoit can not use the sharingan i just meant it would be worthless compared to those who have it and are intelligent. If at that moment kakashi had the sharingan just like obito kakashi would have done the same but maybe even better but only because of his intelligence.

When did i say naruto shouldn't use the foxes power.. and from what i see here obito piratically gave the sharingan to him and said its now yours. http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/425/01/ kakashi had a task to fulfill with those eyes but its is clear he could not http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/425/02/ . Did the kyuubi give his power to naruto willingly. did he say you know what im about to die so here take my power. from how i see it the sharingans is rightfully kakashi's more then the kyuubi's is narutos
be more spacific about that hole madara thing because all i can say about is he was controling the fox with his sharingan seeing as cannot fully understand what you were talking about.

come again im looking forward to a reply

Bro, credit goes to you as well man. You're becoming very strong willed and you almost made me give up lolz. You maybe right about Naruto not being able suppress the Kyuubi, but he has to start sometime, you know?

yes neji is very healthy minded you can say lol i reped him yesterday

that author burne something he is very good

[CharlesWenzel]

took lon enough to get a rise out of you lol

please dont put words in my mouth because i did not say he would need to be intelligent to see through peoples jutsu all i said was he needs to be intelligent to use it ( as in use it to its full power ) . I did not mean an idoit can not use the sharingan i just meant it would be worthless compared to those who have it and are intelligent. If at that moment kakashi had the sharingan just like obito kakashi would have done the same but maybe even better but only because of his intelligence.

When did i say naruto shouldn't use the foxes power.. and from what i see here obito piratically gave the sharingan to him and said its now yours. http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/425/01/ kakashi had a task to fulfill with those eyes but its is clear he could not http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/425/02/ . Did the kyuubi give his power to naruto willingly. did he say you know what im about to die so here take my power. from how i see it the sharingans is rightfully kakashi's more then the kyuubi's is narutos
be more spacific about that hole madara thing because all i can say about is he was controling the fox with his sharingan seeing as cannot fully understand what you were talking about.

come again im looking forward to a reply



yes neji is very healthy minded you can say lol i reped him yesterday

that author burne something he is very good

Obito gave his sharingan to kakashi, yeah, the 4th died placing the kyuubi inside naruto, so the way i look at it, for all the bullshit he's had to put up with his entire life over it.. he more than deserves to utilize the fox's power, especially since he's being hunted down by the most powerful missing nin's in naruto universe at the moment.

Madara used and controlled the kyuubi several times, how it is any different from naruto using the kyuubi then, aside from the fact he is now inside naruto and not on it's own? I'm pretty sure you can't be this retarded, so I'm going to assume you are just biased, hence why I said it wasn't worth the effort because if you cannot understand a power at someones disposal is a power at someones disposal regardless of how or where they got it, then perhaps you are a bit borderline.

Oh :P, and FYI, just because it took you that long to look at the post doesn't mean I posted it seconds before you logging into the site. And I'm not at all risen, I merely say what I say for the same reason one would honk their horn at a bad driver, to let them know that they are in fact stupid, and it is in that act that I hope that they learn. Of course, that's just a hope beyond hope.

[Trini Emperor]

Obito gave his sharingan to kakashi, yeah, the 4th died placing the kyuubi inside naruto, so the way i look at it, for all the bullshit he's had to put up with his entire life over it.. he more than deserves to utilize the fox's power, especially since he's being hunted down by the most powerful missing nin's in naruto universe at the moment.

Madara used and controlled the kyuubi several times, how it is any different from naruto using the kyuubi then, aside from the fact he is now inside naruto and not on it's own? I'm pretty sure you can't be this retarded, so I'm going to assume you are just biased, hence why I said it wasn't worth the effort because if you cannot understand a power at someones disposal is a power at someones disposal regardless of how or where they got it, then perhaps you are a bit borderline.

Oh :P, and FYI, just because it took you that long to look at the post doesn't mean I posted it seconds before you logging into the site. And I'm not at all risen, I merely say what I say for the same reason one would honk their horn at a bad driver, to let them know that they are in fact stupid, and it is in that act that I hope that they learn. Of course, that's just a hope beyond hope.

Man, I get where you're coming from. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one that thinks the Sharingan is a cheap ass power. I hate the sharingan so much it's ridiculous. The things that it can do def puts it in the 'way too overpowered list'

But your way of 'pwning noobs' is a little irritating homie. Chill with that man. You don't have to talk like that to prove your point. But I def see where you're coming from.

But I have to give it to yungartz as well man, he def had some good points also. What he was trying to say is the sharingan can't be considered a power up because he was born with it. And he's correct. But that doesn't mean that the sharingan isn't overpowered even though it's a Kekkei Genkai. You stated your points pretty well man, and I would give you rep, but the way you handled your statements was a little over the top bro.

[CharlesWenzel]

Man, I get where you're coming from. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one that thinks the Sharingan is a cheap ass power. I hate the sharingan so much it's ridiculous. The things that it can do def puts it in the 'way too overpowered list'

But your way of 'pwning noobs' is a little irritating homie. Chill with that man. You don't have to talk like that to prove your point. But I def see where you're coming from.

But I have to give it to yungartz as well man, he def had some good points also. What he was trying to say is the sharingan can't be considered a power up because he was born with it. And he's correct. But that doesn't mean that the sharingan isn't overpowered even though it's a Kekkei Genkai. You stated your points pretty well man, and I would give you rep, but the way you handled your statements was a little over the top bro.

I don't care about the rep, I just enjoy getting reactions is why I say those things :P.
Also, the sharingan can be considered a power up because, not every uchiha unlocked it.. Same holds true to any jutsu, power up, anything, Naruto achieved sage mode through hard work, because he is one of the few who could actually endure the training to obtain it, just as itachi achieved his mangekyo sharingan, or sasuke his. Same holds true even with the kyuubi, born with it or not it's at his disposal just as the cursed seal was at sasuke's disposal, it didn't stop him from using it, why should it stop naruto? That's the point I'm trying to make, cheap or not, if it's at their discretion to use the power or not, it's theirs to use.

[Trini Emperor]

I don't care about the rep, I just enjoy getting reactions is why I say those things :P.
Also, the sharingan can be considered a power up because, not every uchiha unlocked it.. Same holds true to any jutsu, power up, anything, Naruto achieved sage mode through hard work, because he is one of the few who could actually endure the training to obtain it, just as itachi achieved his mangekyo sharingan, or sasuke his. Same holds true even with the kyuubi, born with it or not it's at his disposal just as the cursed seal was at sasuke's disposal, it didn't stop him from using it, why should it stop naruto? That's the point I'm trying to make, cheap or not, if it's at their discretion to use the power or not, it's theirs to use.

That's messed up lolz. IIght to each his own. When I talk to you like that I hope you don't complain homie.

Whattt????!!!

Alright, now you're smoking. Even though many Uchiha haven't unlocked that power, that means that they haven't trained hard enough or haven't trained ever to unlock it homie. It's still in their blood though, they're born with the ability to unlock the sharingan. Only a few have the skill to master it. Saying the sharingan is a power up is ridiculous. I laugh at that statement. Post back, I want to see your reaction. Would give me a chance to pwn you.

Your points can be given credit, but powers that someone is born with cannot be compared to the powers that someone works hard for to achieve outside of their own bloodline. It's just not. An Uchiha doesn't need to train to obtain the Sharingan, it is unlocked through emotional stress. The only thing they must train really is their body to keep up with what the sharingan copies. For example, When Sasuke saw through Lee's moves but his body wasn't able to keep up with Lee, which gave way to him getting his ass whooped. An Uchiha, after unlocking the Sharingan, only has to keep using the eye to make it grow in strength. But it takes a skillful Uchiha to utilize it's power and master it completely, such as Itachi obtaining the Sharingan and Mangekyou Sharinganat an early age.

Whereas, Naruto has to train everyday of his life to become stronger, especially training as hard as he did to obtain SM. The difference between a Kekkei Genkai and Regular power ups, is you don't have to do any amount of fancy training to gain or unlock a Kekkei Genkai technique. If it happens, it happens during a time of desperation, a time of need. Whereas, a person without a Kekkei Genkai has to train his whole life, day in and day out to acheive greater power. So Kekkei Genkais generally have an advantage over a regular shinobi.

So what if Naruto has the nine tails? If he didn't have the nine-tails, you think that he would've been alive till now? Come on dude, look how many times the Kyuubi saved him. Look at Sasuke, he uses the Sharingan for everything and this is a power he was born with. So he cheeses with it. At least Naruto tries not to use the Kyuubi. Do you see Sasuke trying not to use the Sharingan? Nope. I didn't think so.

[lee lee lee]

Source: http://naruto-spoilers.blogspot.com
Status: UNCONFIRMED Spoiler
Credits: mjhermano/kuroihikari on MS

んじゃ簡易で
Here's a summary.

長門両親の墓を立て物乞いに走る
Nagato's parents' grave was erected, and he travelled around, begging .

途中犬を拾う名前はチビ
On the way, He picked up a dog; it's name was Chibi.

誰も目もくれてくれず行き倒れになりそうな所
Everyone just ignored him, and he almost starved to death on the streets.

天使小南に拾われる　そこで弥彦とも出会う
He was then picked up by Angel Konan, and then they happened to meet up with Yahiko.

（３人は生き抜くため盗みなどはたらきながら暮らす）
In order to survive they did things like stealing and working.

弥彦の夢は　世界征服　
Yahiko's dream is conquering the world.

ただ死んでしまうだけでは
It stayed the same until his death TL NOTE: Not sure.

死んでしまった父ちゃん母ちゃんに申し訳がないからと精一杯生き抜き
He wasn't able to apologize to his parents on their death, that's why he'll do his best to live til the end.

世界のてっぺんとったら戦争のない世界を作る～
If he can take the top of the world, he can create a world with no wars.

長門　わぁ神様みたいだね～
Nagato: Isn't that something like a God?

省略
Summary

雨の中を歩く３人とチビ
Inside Rain, the three and Chibi walked.

上から爆札付きのクナイが空から降ってきて
From the above, a tagged kunai fell from the sky.

３人とチビは爆風に吹っ飛ばされてしまう
The three and Chibi were blown away by the blest.

小南　チビが＞＜
Konan: Chibi!?

弥彦　こんな所で戦争かよ　と誰が戦ってるのか覗きにいく
Yahiko: This place is a warzone. I'm gonna check and see who're fighting.

　　　あれは　才蔵と木の葉の忍びか（ジライヤ・ツナデ・大蛇丸）
That was Saizou and some Konoha shinobi (Jiraiya, Tsunade, Orochimaru) TL NOTE: Kanji is Saizou, but Hanzou makes more sense.

　　　ここじゃ巻き込まれてしまう安全な場所へ～
Let's not involve ourselves with this and go to a safe place.

チビ長門の腕の中で死亡
In Nagato's arms was a dead Chibi.

弥彦　くそっ俺が神様になってこの戦争のない世界を作ってやる～
　　　みたいなと事をいい
Yahiko: Damnit, I'll become a God and make this world a world with no wars.

長門　（弥彦の夢が　次第に自分の夢にもなっていったâ€à ‚¦）
Nagato (Yahiko's dream gradually became my own dream...)

で終了（背表紙はナルト　タイトル・扉絵は忘れましたâ€à ‚¦）
The end. (Spine of book is Naruto, I forgot the title and cover).

長門の痛みは両親の死と犬の死ですねわかります＞＜
From what I understand, Nagato's Pain is his parent's death and the dog's death.

[Sato]

Source: http://naruto-spoilers.blogspot.com
Status: UNCONFIRMED Spoiler
Credits: mjhermano/kuroihikari on MS

んじゃ簡易で
Here's a summary.

長門両親の墓を立て物乞いに走る
Nagato's parents' grave was erected, and he travelled around, begging .

途中犬を拾う名前はチビ
On the way, He picked up a dog; it's name was Chibi.

誰も目もくれてくれず行き倒れになりそうな所
Everyone just ignored him, and he almost starved to death on the streets.

天使小南に拾われる　そこで弥彦とも出会う
He was then picked up by Angel Konan, and then they happened to meet up with Yahiko.

（３人は生き抜くため盗みなどはたらきながら暮らす）
In order to survive they did things like stealing and working.

弥彦の夢は　世界征服　
Yahiko's dream is conquering the world.

ただ死んでしまうだけでは
It stayed the same until his death TL NOTE: Not sure.

死んでしまった父ちゃん母ちゃんに申し訳がないからと精一杯生き抜き
He wasn't able to apologize to his parents on their death, that's why he'll do his best to live til the end.

世界のてっぺんとったら戦争のない世界を作る～
If he can take the top of the world, he can create a world with no wars.

長門　わぁ神様みたいだね～
Nagato: Isn't that something like a God?

省略
Summary

雨の中を歩く３人とチビ
Inside Rain, the three and Chibi walked.

上から爆札付きのクナイが空から降ってきて
From the above, a tagged kunai fell from the sky.

３人とチビは爆風に吹っ飛ばされてしまう
The three and Chibi were blown away by the blest.

小南　チビが＞＜
Konan: Chibi!?

弥彦　こんな所で戦争かよ　と誰が戦ってるのか覗きにいく
Yahiko: This place is a warzone. I'm gonna check and see who're fighting.

　　　あれは　才蔵と木の葉の忍びか（ジライヤ・ツナデ・大蛇丸）
That was Saizou and some Konoha shinobi (Jiraiya, Tsunade, Orochimaru) TL NOTE: Kanji is Saizou, but Hanzou makes more sense.

　　　ここじゃ巻き込まれてしまう安全な場所へ～
Let's not involve ourselves with this and go to a safe place.

チビ長門の腕の中で死亡
In Nagato's arms was a dead Chibi.

弥彦　くそっ俺が神様になってこの戦争のない世界を作ってやる～
　　　みたいなと事をいい
Yahiko: Damnit, I'll become a God and make this world a world with no wars.

長門　（弥彦の夢が　次第に自分の夢にもなっていったâ€à ‚¦）
Nagato (Yahiko's dream gradually became my own dream...)

で終了（背表紙はナルト　タイトル・扉絵は忘れましたâ€à ‚¦）
The end. (Spine of book is Naruto, I forgot the title and cover).

長門の痛みは両親の死と犬の死ですねわかります＞＜
From what I understand, Nagato's Pain is his parent's death and the dog's death.

Seriously? Ok, since your new i'll give you a piece of advice. Next time, make a spoiler thread.

[RavenArchangel]

when yo say wiki do you mean Wikipedia the free encyclopedia , if so i must tell you for future debates you should not use that. It is true that some of their information can be correct however anyone can go on that and add what they want to the description , without even signing up or anything so i would 100% trust that encyclopedia.
I have done it before , not cool.


yeah right haha....where does his powers come from ( I find gambit an interesting X-Men character ) , i would like to hear more about him

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_vandalism

Furthermore it has moderators who check the pages when necessary. Most of the time pages that are commonly visited (like Naruto) are closely watched for such things. However, I will say they have merge orgies too often, which is why I prefer Narutopedia on wikia, but of course I make sure I've seen it somwhere else before I use it as a source, but if I remember seeing it in the manga or anime, I'll use it as a source.
yeah he speeds up the molecules in solid objects to the point that they become unstable and explode(thats how he does the whole playing card thing). pretty cool eh. nagato ftl...lol. i think we better chill with the marvel convo though. i could do without the suck ups reporting me
-facepalm- thats been Gambits ablitity the whole time, thats old news..and irrelevant to Naruto -loves how I opened up a rabbit trail)
Number one...you dont have to worry about swearing around me cuz i dont care at all.

number two......I see what you are saying , naruto is not overpowered. For example even if he had sage mode , if he did not have info on pain he would have lost. Also his abilitys to multitask with his shadow clones and his huge chakra level that was one of the very things that made him able to use sage mode so much. Like i stated before , the only reason you can consider SM-Sage Mode a power up is because it has all the things in it that you can consider to be a power up example.

Power up in strength
Power up in Deffence
Power up in Speed
and rejuvenation not to mention chakra increase. Main idea here is the POWER UP.

number three i see where you are coming from but you cannot count the sharingan as a power up. sasuke and itachi were born with it it is not there fault and its their blood line. For example if someones mom had disability's that could be passed down to you , yet is that your fault. Madara obtained his fair. Reason being is because the EMS is one of the secrets of the sharingan and you have to give him credit for him being the first to get that far. Kakashi got his fair , if the story is how it says in the manga then you can consider it a gift from a friend. Obito was going to die anyway so may as well put them to good use. Renningan and byakugan are the same shit. They are blood line so you cant count them. drug enhancements yes i guess you could depending on how you interrupt it.

As for kisame......im not to sure on his background because they haven't necessarily said to much about it but im sure he earned that sword for a reason.

I would not consider the kyuubi his own power because he was not born with it , it belongs to the fox and its not his own original power it had to be seal in him. If it was his power then naruto can be considered one of the strongest in the series even when he was 12. Yes it helps him but its not his power. For some reason naruto had the power to width stand the evil chakra but i think thats because he had the 1st neckless im not sure or just because he had a huge level of chakra.

Yamato dose not think the power is his , he may have just said the word " His " rather then get into description of how it got placed in him a etc.

Sorry i cannot answer your opinion to my best but im kinda tired and not in the mood but i hope you see why i said all this and i hope for a reply.

I agree with you on all except for one thing: Yes, Sharingan can be overpowered, but arguably, he just brought up that most things in Naruto can be so who cares? But my main point to this...well as For Yamato I think he is being a hypocrite but it doesn't matter because it won't harm him, unlike Naruto and Kyuubi. Plus he had to have water and Earth affinities to be able to at al, with or without the Hokage's blood.
Just as I predicted.

Naruto will learn about Nagato's past and we finally find out his past. We should be able to see what happened to Yahiko now, since its almost inevitable that his death was the second source of Nagato's pain. I know people aren't happy, but I think this is a great chapter and the chapters to come will be very interesting. Storyline is extremely important people, lol. :laugh:

I'm pretty satisfied with how everything has been going, I like how Kishi is putting this together thus far. However most people here are a tough crowd, lol. I was hoping for more from the Rin'nengan, however I'm not disappointed. Its a very interesting Kekke Genkai, and even though it isn't completely "offensive-vision-oriented" (probably didn't make sense :laugh:) it is still pretty kick-ass. So in a nutshell, I want to learn more about Nagato, and it will be covered in the next 5-10 chapters. Hopefully we will see some shots of where the other teams are at some point. Hawk, Cloud, Sand, Kirabi, etc.

Would like to hear more about Kirabi, Cloud and Sand more than Team Hawk. We had alot of them right before this really dragged out and snooze filled (with some big twists...and some moments of groaning at how lame the rinnegan is) arc that is the Pain Invasion Arc. Though Team Hawk might be nice too.
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Anyone thought about Kirabi and 8 tails and why their failed capture was shown? Didn't it seem almost pointless? Unless of course it was foreshadowing..do notice that Naruto's Sage Training was at the same time...coincidence or not? What are all yalls thoughts on this?

[neijiman]

Bro, credit goes to you as well man. You're becoming very strong willed and you almost made me give up lolz. You maybe right about Naruto not being able suppress the Kyuubi, but he has to start sometime, you know?

thanx oldhead(don't take that offensively, its jus a term that we use out here were i'm from to describe sumone older who we respect). i know if anyones got my back on this froum it's you. i


-facepalm- thats been Gambits ablitity the whole time, thats old news..and irrelevant to Naruto -loves how I opened up a rabbit trail)

umm okay i hope you enjoy that..lolz. plus that was directed towards yugartz.....

[RavenArchangel]

I would double team Konan. I mean yeah I agree. :laugh:
Easy their Jiraiya- I mean Romeo- I mean Kaimei XD but yeah, Its clear he at least already is in one way and thats controlling others..close proxminity, it makes sense that its amplified.
You know, for SOME reason, the pink text makes this post hilarious.

The more and more I think about it, the more Nagato reminds me of Gaara. Gaara was a total dick in the beginning, with an "I'm going to destroy everyone because my life sucks" attitude. Naruto could possibly TRY to do the "power of good" effect over Nagato like he did with Gaara, but I doubt that would work. I think Nagato's going to be a goner after this, but I could be wrong.
Hmm..you know I see what your getting at. Thats funny since I feel slow for not noticing that myself XD but yeah, good comparison, though its not quite the same, I defintily see the similairities.
Man, I get where you're coming from. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one that thinks the Sharingan is a cheap ass power. I hate the sharingan so much it's ridiculous. The things that it can do def puts it in the 'way too overpowered list'

But your way of 'pwning noobs' is a little irritating homie. Chill with that man. You don't have to talk like that to prove your point. But I def see where you're coming from.

But I have to give it to yungartz as well man, he def had some good points also. What he was trying to say is the sharingan can't be considered a power up because he was born with it. And he's correct. But that doesn't mean that the sharingan isn't overpowered even though it's a Kekkei Genkai. You stated your points pretty well man, and I would give you rep, but the way you handled your statements was a little over the top bro.
True, true but my point is this: there are so many things that are overpowered in Naruto, that who cares if it is or not anymore? The good news is, that unlike DBZ, they usually have drawbacks. Take comfort in that and instead of everyone b*tchin when somthins overpowered, just b*tch when somthin doesn't have enough a drawback or mistake to it or whatever..jeez. Honestly look at this:

Sharingan/Mangekyo Sharingan/Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan
Byakugan
Rinnegan
Kyuubi Mode/Sage Mode
Cursed Seal Mode
Samahada
Biju
Pain's Gravity ablities

Need I continue? There's plenty of overpower things in Naruto, but its not really necessary to complain about them. Notice they often have drawbacks.

Sharingan: if you aren't an uchiha, it takes a heavy toll on your chakra and energy, and even if you are, you can do so as far and fast as you can see. If you can't see it..your F**cked. Which is why if that user isn't good at Taijutsu or keeping track of a Taijutsu user with their eyes, its a weakness. Intelligence helps as well, as pointed out before.

Kyuubi mode takes it toll on Naruto's body as well all know. It also can shorten his life span (the common cop out fall back for overpowered stuff..like Tsunades forehead thing)

Pain's Gravity takes 5 second intervals. Furthermore, the Super Shinra Tensei thing takes even longer to recharge and shortens his life span (here we go again)

Sage Mode, well I'm pretty sure others will tell you that one, I'm starting to have a brain fart. lol

but you (and I'm not just addressing one person) all probably get my point.
thanx oldhead(don't take that offensively, its jus a term that we use out here were i'm from to describe sumone older who we respect). i know if anyones got my back on this froum it's you. i



umm okay i hope you enjoy that..lolz. plus that was directed towards yugartz.....
Oldhead huh? Wierd phrases out there..like the one I heard that one time "Jumping on a bed thats not mine" XD wow... and yeah.I wish I got as much reconition as Trini (tbh I'm starting to get jealous XD) as for the rabbit trail comment: Its a phrase..it means going off topic..more or less XD
Seriously? Ok, since your new i'll give you a piece of advice. Next time, make a spoiler thread.
Seems sloppy and fake to me anyways, and furthermore its too soon to have spoilers out IMO

[Trini Emperor]

thanx oldhead(don't take that offensively, its jus a term that we use out here were i'm from to describe sumone older who we respect). i know if anyones got my back on this froum it's you.


lolz, nah I already know of that term dude. No offense taken. I got your back whenever homie.


True, true but my point is this: there are so many things that are overpowered in Naruto, that who cares if it is or not anymore? The good news is, that unlike DBZ, they usually have drawbacks. Take comfort in that and instead of everyone b*tchin when somthins overpowered, just b*tch when somthin doesn't have enough a drawback or mistake to it or whatever..jeez. Honestly look at this:

Sharingan/Mangekyo Sharingan/Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan
Byakugan
Rinnegan
Kyuubi Mode/Sage Mode
Cursed Seal Mode
Samahada
Biju
Pain's Gravity ablities

Need I continue? There's plenty of overpower things in Naruto, but its not really necessary to complain about them. Notice they often have drawbacks.

Sharingan: if you aren't an uchiha, it takes a heavy toll on your chakra and energy, and even if you are, you can do so as far and fast as you can see. If you can't see it..your F**cked. Which is why if that user isn't good at Taijutsu or keeping track of a Taijutsu user with their eyes, its a weakness. Intelligence helps as well, as pointed out before.

Kyuubi mode takes it toll on Naruto's body as well all know. It also can shorten his life span (the common cop out fall back for overpowered stuff..like Tsunades forehead thing)

Pain's Gravity takes 5 second intervals. Furthermore, the Super Shinra Tensei thing takes even longer to recharge and shortens his life span (here we go again)

Sage Mode, well I'm pretty sure others will tell you that one, I'm starting to have a brain fart. lol

but you (and I'm not just addressing one person) all probably get my point.

Oldhead huh? Wierd phrases out there..like the one I heard that one time "Jumping on a bed thats not mine" XD wow... and yeah.I wish I got as much reconition as Trini (tbh I'm starting to get jealous XD) as for the rabbit trail comment: Its a phrase..it means going off topic..more or less XD

Seems sloppy and fake to me anyways, and furthermore its too soon to have spoilers out IMO

Dude, why are you telling me this? This is the point I was trying to make to that pompous idiot CHARLES WHATEVER HIS NAME IS. (I wrote his name big so he would know I'm talking about him.) LOLZ. You maybe didn't mean to post to me, but it still felt like I'm being called out because I'm the one you quoted. I know there are a lot of things that are overpowered in Naruto. That's so obvious. I just stated the Sharingan because the topic was the sharingan.

Why get Jealous? You're one of the smartest on this forum.

[Six Paths Sage]

How many chaptes do you thiink nagato's story will last? 3-4 maybe including one just released.

[yungartz]

That's messed up lolz. IIght to each his own. When I talk to you like that I hope you don't complain homie.

Whattt????!!!

Alright, now you're smoking. Even though many Uchiha haven't unlocked that power, that means that they haven't trained hard enough or haven't trained ever to unlock it homie. It's still in their blood though, they're born with the ability to unlock the sharingan. Only a few have the skill to master it. Saying the sharingan is a power up is ridiculous. I laugh at that statement. Post back, I want to see your reaction. Would give me a chance to pwn you.

Your points can be given credit, but powers that someone is born with cannot be compared to the powers that someone works hard for to achieve outside of their own bloodline. It's just not. An Uchiha doesn't need to train to obtain the Sharingan, it is unlocked through emotional stress. The only thing they must train really is their body to keep up with what the sharingan copies. For example, When Sasuke saw through Lee's moves but his body wasn't able to keep up with Lee, which gave way to him getting his ass whooped. An Uchiha, after unlocking the Sharingan, only has to keep using the eye to make it grow in strength. But it takes a skillful Uchiha to utilize it's power and master it completely, such as Itachi obtaining the Sharingan and Mangekyou Sharinganat an early age.

Whereas, Naruto has to train everyday of his life to become stronger, especially training as hard as he did to obtain SM. The difference between a Kekkei Genkai and Regular power ups, is you don't have to do any amount of fancy training to gain or unlock a Kekkei Genkai technique. If it happens, it happens during a time of desperation, a time of need. Whereas, a person without a Kekkei Genkai has to train his whole life, day in and day out to acheive greater power. So Kekkei Genkais generally have an advantage over a regular shinobi.

So what if Naruto has the nine tails? If he didn't have the nine-tails, you think that he would've been alive till now? Come on dude, look how many times the Kyuubi saved him. Look at Sasuke, he uses the Sharingan for everything and this is a power he was born with. So he cheeses with it. At least Naruto tries not to use the Kyuubi. Do you see Sasuke trying not to use the Sharingan? Nope. I didn't think so.

Im glad to see that you understood some of my points and i know he gave you a bit of attitude you dont like but i dont think you should have started with him. You taking home the debate is a given thats just how i see it.

I discussed with him just to see if i could especially when he said he was a special education teacher. I bad mouthed him a lot so I would get a rise out of him and have him get started with me lol. and i could tell he was giving attitude so that just cheesed me just a bit.

is this setteled or should i continue to go on , because ill be glad to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_vandalism

Furthermore it has moderators who check the pages when necessary. Most of the time pages that are commonly visited (like Naruto) are closely watched for such things. However, I will say they have merge orgies too often, which is why I prefer Narutopedia on wikia, but of course I make sure I've seen it somwhere else before I use it as a source, but if I remember seeing it in the manga or anime, I'll use it as a source.

-facepalm- thats been Gambits ablitity the whole time, thats old news..and irrelevant to Naruto -loves how I opened up a rabbit trail)


I agree with you on all except for one thing: Yes, Sharingan can be overpowered, but arguably, he just brought up that most things in Naruto can be so who cares? But my main point to this...well as For Yamato I think he is being a hypocrite but it doesn't matter because it won't harm him, unlike Naruto and Kyuubi. Plus he had to have water and Earth affinities to be able to at al, with or without the Hokage's blood.


Would like to hear more about Kirabi, Cloud and Sand more than Team Hawk. We had alot of them right before this really dragged out and snooze filled (with some big twists...and some moments of groaning at how lame the rinnegan is) arc that is the Pain Invasion Arc. Though Team Hawk might be nice too.


Its good to know they have moderators but ill check that narutopidea thing.

that gambit thing was old news to you but new to me.

Its good to see you agree with me on a couple things , i don't normally get a response from anyone but the person im discussing with.

[gambaku]

How many chaptes do you thiink nagato's story will last? 3-4 maybe including one just released.
it will end in the next chapter, but his second pain story will start and we will need 2 more chapters===>>>> 2+2=4.

[CharlesWenzel]

That's messed up lolz. IIght to each his own. When I talk to you like that I hope you don't complain homie.

Whattt????!!!

Alright, now you're smoking. Even though many Uchiha haven't unlocked that power, that means that they haven't trained hard enough or haven't trained ever to unlock it homie. It's still in their blood though, they're born with the ability to unlock the sharingan. Only a few have the skill to master it. Saying the sharingan is a power up is ridiculous. I laugh at that statement. Post back, I want to see your reaction. Would give me a chance to pwn you.

Your points can be given credit, but powers that someone is born with cannot be compared to the powers that someone works hard for to achieve outside of their own bloodline. It's just not. An Uchiha doesn't need to train to obtain the Sharingan, it is unlocked through emotional stress. The only thing they must train really is their body to keep up with what the sharingan copies. For example, When Sasuke saw through Lee's moves but his body wasn't able to keep up with Lee, which gave way to him getting his ass whooped. An Uchiha, after unlocking the Sharingan, only has to keep using the eye to make it grow in strength. But it takes a skillful Uchiha to utilize it's power and master it completely, such as Itachi obtaining the Sharingan and Mangekyou Sharinganat an early age.

Whereas, Naruto has to train everyday of his life to become stronger, especially training as hard as he did to obtain SM. The difference between a Kekkei Genkai and Regular power ups, is you don't have to do any amount of fancy training to gain or unlock a Kekkei Genkai technique. If it happens, it happens during a time of desperation, a time of need. Whereas, a person without a Kekkei Genkai has to train his whole life, day in and day out to acheive greater power. So Kekkei Genkais generally have an advantage over a regular shinobi.

So what if Naruto has the nine tails? If he didn't have the nine-tails, you think that he would've been alive till now? Come on dude, look how many times the Kyuubi saved him. Look at Sasuke, he uses the Sharingan for everything and this is a power he was born with. So he cheeses with it. At least Naruto tries not to use the Kyuubi. Do you see Sasuke trying not to use the Sharingan? Nope. I didn't think so.

Lol, first, I agree with what you said, second, you completely missed what my point was, and even reinforced it further, if you have the power at your disposal, it's yours to use.. who the **** cares where or what you got it from, if you can use it you can abuse it all you want. So much for 'pwning' me eh?

[yungartz]

Lol, first, I agree with what you said, second, you completely missed what my point was, and even reinforced it further, if you have the power at your disposal, it's yours to use.. who the **** cares where or what you got it from, if you can use it you can abuse it all you want. So much for 'pwning' me eh?


I understand what you say. if their is a power at your disposal of course its there to use but that doesn't mean its yours to use and that doesn't beat the fact that where you got it from decides whether its yours or not , but you can still use it , that much is true.

I look forward to a reply even if I'm not here

[CharlesWenzel]

I understand what you say. if their is a power at your disposal of course its there to use but that doesn't mean its yours to use and that doesn't beat the fact that where you got it from decides whether its yours or not , but you can still use it , that much is true.

I look forward to a reply even if I'm not here

What's to reply to? You just reinforced my point even further while contradicting yourself. It's yours to use, but at the same time it's not yours to use, okay, the kyuubi is for naruto to use, but at the same time he isn't there for naruto to use, makes sense I suppose?

[Sato]

I understand what you say. if their is a power at your disposal of course its there to use but that doesn't mean its yours to use and that doesn't beat the fact that where you got it from decides whether its yours or not , but you can still use it , that much is true.

I look forward to a reply even if I'm not here

What's to reply to? You just reinforced my point even further while contradicting yourself. It's yours to use, but at the same time it's not yours to use, okay, the kyuubi is for naruto to use, but at the same time he isn't there for naruto to use, makes sense I suppose?

I guess what Yungartz was trying to say is, although the Kyuubi's power is there, he doesn't have to use it.

Put it like this, say when you go to a friends house, you make toast. Now, you obviously want to put butter on it, right? You see a butter knife. it's there to use, but it's not exactly your to use it but you use it to butter yor toast anyways.

Plus, he never said it's your to use. He said it's THERE to use. Also, I sense hostility in your posts. Seeing as he's trying to be fairly respectful of you in his posts, could you not be so disrespectful? That's just unnecessary and makes you seem like a dumbass for doing that.

[Trini Emperor]

Lol, first, I agree with what you said, second, you completely missed what my point was, and even reinforced it further, if you have the power at your disposal, it's yours to use.. who the **** cares where or what you got it from, if you can use it you can abuse it all you want. So much for 'pwning' me eh?

Lolz, you make no sense homie, first you complain about the Sharingan being considered a power up and now that I proved your statement wrong, you say that you agree with me. Lolz. How about you stop contradicting yourself man? Anyway, yes you were pwned. And I didn't miss your point, I basically ignored it because you were ignorant to facts. Ehhh, not a challenge whatsoever.

[BlackJack911]

That's messed up lolz. IIght to each his own. When I talk to you like that I hope you don't complain homie.

Whattt????!!!

Alright, now you're smoking. Even though many Uchiha haven't unlocked that power, that means that they haven't trained hard enough or haven't trained ever to unlock it homie. It's still in their blood though, they're born with the ability to unlock the sharingan. Only a few have the skill to master it. Saying the sharingan is a power up is ridiculous. I laugh at that statement. Post back, I want to see your reaction. Would give me a chance to pwn you.

Your points can be given credit, but powers that someone is born with cannot be compared to the powers that someone works hard for to achieve outside of their own bloodline. It's just not. An Uchiha doesn't need to train to obtain the Sharingan, it is unlocked through emotional stress. The only thing they must train really is their body to keep up with what the sharingan copies. For example, When Sasuke saw through Lee's moves but his body wasn't able to keep up with Lee, which gave way to him getting his ass whooped. An Uchiha, after unlocking the Sharingan, only has to keep using the eye to make it grow in strength. But it takes a skillful Uchiha to utilize it's power and master it completely, such as Itachi obtaining the Sharingan and Mangekyou Sharinganat an early age.

Whereas, Naruto has to train everyday of his life to become stronger, especially training as hard as he did to obtain SM. The difference between a Kekkei Genkai and Regular power ups, is you don't have to do any amount of fancy training to gain or unlock a Kekkei Genkai technique. If it happens, it happens during a time of desperation, a time of need. Whereas, a person without a Kekkei Genkai has to train his whole life, day in and day out to acheive greater power. So Kekkei Genkais generally have an advantage over a regular shinobi.

So what if Naruto has the nine tails? If he didn't have the nine-tails, you think that he would've been alive till now? Come on dude, look how many times the Kyuubi saved him. Look at Sasuke, he uses the Sharingan for everything and this is a power he was born with. So he cheeses with it. At least Naruto tries not to use the Kyuubi. Do you see Sasuke trying not to use the Sharingan? Nope. I didn't think so.

The point he's trying to make, from the way I see it, is that it doesn't matter how power was made available. Just that it is. By the way, I completely agree with this. Even if the kyuubi never chose to reside within Naruto, there are a few instances in the manga, if you'll recall, where it did offer Naruto its power.

From a perspective, the kyuubi is a tool of power. Madara used the kyuubi and it only emphasized that he was quite formidable. However, I do think that Naruto shouldn't use it because using it reminds me very much of an incomplete jutsu. He can't fully control it and if it gets too out of hand, his body deteriorates and he destroys anything and everything.

About the Sharingan. We may not consider it a powerup, but I can certainly see why some people would. Many people, including myself, think it's too overpowered. A Sharingan may not automatically give speed or strength, but a better perception of time is still power. It also increases one's potential in speed. True, they still have to work for speed, but what comes to mind is that Kakashi's Chidori was considered incomplete until he obtained the Sharingan.

Im glad to see that you understood some of my points and i know he gave you a bit of attitude you dont like but i dont think you should have started with him. You taking home the debate is a given thats just how i see it.

I discussed with him just to see if i could especially when he said he was a special education teacher. I bad mouthed him a lot so I would get a rise out of him and have him get started with me lol. and i could tell he was giving attitude so that just cheesed me just a bit.

is this setteled or should i continue to go on , because ill be glad to.



Its good to know they have moderators but ill check that narutopidea thing.

that gambit thing was old news to you but new to me.

Its good to see you agree with me on a couple things , i don't normally get a response from anyone but the person im discussing with.

He never said he was a special education teacher. He said he wasn't going to hold your hand LIKE a special education teacher. It was a quip. We still don't know what he does for a living. :laugh:

Lolz, you make no sense homie, first you complain about the Sharingan being considered a power up and now that I proved your statement wrong, you say that you agree with me. Lolz. How about you stop contradicting yourself man? Anyway, yes you were pwned. And I didn't miss your point, I basically ignored it because you were ignorant to facts. Ehhh, not a challenge whatsoever.

I don't think you'd even be this heated if you didn't have a problem with how he presents his arguments. :laugh:. I will admit he had good points.

[Trini Emperor]

I don't think you'd even be this heated if you didn't have a problem with how he presents his arguments. :laugh:. I will admit he had good points.

It really doesn't matter what point he made, I didn't really care about the whole, 'it doesn't matter where you get your power' discussion. I ignored that, because that discussion is pure ignorance on his part. Read it over and answer that honestly.
If you realized, my discussion was mainly on the sharingan not being a power-up. Good points or not, I proved him wrong on that point. No matter if some might see it as a power up or not, main point is, it is not a power up.

Therefore, I made his points on the whole power-up discussion irrelevant.http://forums.saiyanisland.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

The Kyuubi has no choice but to lend Naruto his power, if Naruto dies, he dies.

Agreeable, I said that the Sharingan was way too overpowered in one of my previous post.

The Sharingan does help with speed in terms of slowing down movements so that the user can read Taijutsu moves a lot easier to counter. But it doesn't work if the user's body isn't up to the task. Basically, the user has to train his body to meet the requirements of the sharingan. So even though it helps in speed, if the user cannot keep up, that little advantage is useless.

[BlackJack911]

It really doesn't matter what point he made, I didn't really care about the whole, 'it doesn't matter where you get your power' discussion. I ignored that, because that discussion is pure ignorance on his part. Read it over and answer that honestly.
If you realized, my discussion was mainly on the sharingan not being a power-up. Good points or not, I proved him wrong on that point. No matter if some might see it as a power up or not, main point is, it is not a power up.

Therefore, I made his points on the whole power-up discussion irrelevant.http://forums.saiyanisland.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

The Kyuubi has no choice but to lend Naruto his power, if Naruto dies, he dies.

Agreeable, I said that the Sharingan was way too overpowered in one of my previous post.

The Sharingan does help with speed in terms of slowing down movements so that the user can read Taijutsu moves a lot easier to counter. But it doesn't work if the user's body isn't up to the task. Basically, the user has to train his body to meet the requirements of the sharingan. So even though it helps in speed, if the user cannot keep up, that little advantage is useless.

I've read it and reread it. How did you come to conclude that it's just ignorance? Perhaps it's a strong opinion. Which you should know quite well. :).

I hope he defends himself. Reading that was entertaining. :laugh:

We see eye to eye on everything else. Perception may be fast but the body has to be able to keep up with it basically.

[yungartz]

I guess what Yungartz was trying to say is, although the Kyuubi's power is there, he doesn't have to use it.

Put it like this, say when you go to a friends house, you make toast. Now, you obviously want to put butter on it, right? You see a butter knife. it's there to use, but it's not exactly your to use it but you use it to butter yor toast anyways.

Plus, he never said it's your to use. He said it's THERE to use. Also, I sense hostility in your posts. Seeing as he's trying to be fairly respectful of you in his posts, could you not be so disrespectful? That's just unnecessary and makes you seem like a dumbass for doing that.

Thank you , is what i said rely that hard to to read. It was like 2 sentences.
but nice example of what i said with the butter and toast

What's to reply to? You just reinforced my point even further while contradicting yourself. It's yours to use, but at the same time it's not yours to use, okay, the kyuubi is for naruto to use, but at the same time he isn't there for naruto to use, makes sense I suppose?


If you can read , which im sure you can because im sure your no idiot seeing as im here reading your posts. I will ask you to read my post again or look at what sato said , he put it a lot more simple for you so you can understand.

I did not contradict my self , and i did not reinforce nothing nowhere.

[Trini Emperor]

I've read it and reread it. How did you come to conclude that it's just ignorance? Perhaps it's a strong opinion. Which you should know quite well. :).

I hope he defends himself. Reading that was entertaining. :laugh:

We see eye to eye on everything else. Perception may be fast but the body has to be able to keep up with it basically.

It's ignorance to the point that he was referring to the sharingan as a power up. How can that really be a strong opinion when it's not facts? That's a little retarded bro. Come on now, BlackJack, you're a lot smarter than that. I understand the point that he was trying to make, but choosing not to understand what I was trying to say was ignorance on his part.

[CharlesWenzel]

Thank you , is what i said rely that hard to to read. It was like 2 sentences.
but nice example of what i said with the butter and toast




If you can read , which im sure you can because im sure your no idiot seeing as im here reading your posts. I will ask you to read my post again or look at what sato said , he put it a lot more simple for you so you can understand.

I did not contradict my self , and i did not reinforce nothing nowhere.

Did not reinforce nothing nowhere, ahh okay I'm going to apologize for trying to talk logically, and I now realize common sense is seldom found these days.

[CharlesWenzel]

It's ignorance to the point that he was referring to the sharingan as a power up. How can that really be a strong opinion when it's not facts? That's a little retarded bro. Come on now, BlackJack, you're a lot smarter than that. I understand the point that he was trying to make, but choosing not to understand what I was trying to say was ignorance on his part.

And you are still clueless and bantering on about shit that you don't know what your talking about :P.

Hello teacher? Umm, I need help with this math problem.. Oh yeah, pronouns, verbs, there ya go, have fun with that.

Uhh, thanks..

Lol, what a tard.

[CharlesWenzel]

I guess what Yungartz was trying to say is, although the Kyuubi's power is there, he doesn't have to use it.

Put it like this, say when you go to a friends house, you make toast. Now, you obviously want to put butter on it, right? You see a butter knife. it's there to use, but it's not exactly your to use it but you use it to butter yor toast anyways.

Plus, he never said it's your to use. He said it's THERE to use. Also, I sense hostility in your posts. Seeing as he's trying to be fairly respectful of you in his posts, could you not be so disrespectful? That's just unnecessary and makes you seem like a dumbass for doing that.

"Put it like this, say when you go to a friends house, you make toast. Now, you obviously want to put butter on it, right? You see a butter knife. it's there to use, but it's not exactly your to use it but you use it to butter yor toast anyways."

Same situation, only kakashi, make it seem different than narutos deal with the kyuubi, but ahh you can't because gee, he wasn't born with it, and gee, he uses it every fight.. but he trains to use it? Big deal, real hard work involved in letting the eye do all the work till you adjust to it. Since your a seperate dumbass from triniprincess or youngarts, I'll extend you the courtesy of a response :)

[Trini Emperor]

And you are still clueless and bantering on about shit that you don't know what your talking about :P.

Hello teacher? Umm, I need help with this math problem.. Oh yeah, pronouns, verbs, there ya go, have fun with that.

Uhh, thanks..

Lol, what a tard.

Trying to be funny when you're a noob. Hmm, anyway, look at the shit that you contradicted yourself on and then call yourself a tard you ass hole. I know more than you. And you double posted. Did you know that can get you banned? Hmm....shows how smart you are. How about next time we debate, you come with better facts than that b u l l s h i t you posted to me before. Maybe I'll even reply back. Psssstttt, Get outta here.

"Put it like this, say when you go to a friends house, you make toast. Now, you obviously want to put butter on it, right? You see a butter knife. it's there to use, but it's not exactly your to use it but you use it to butter yor toast anyways."

Same situation, only kakashi, make it seem different than narutos deal with the kyuubi, but ahh you can't because gee, he wasn't born with it, and gee, he uses it every fight.. but he trains to use it? Big deal, real hard work involved in letting the eye do all the work till you adjust to it. Since your a seperate dumbass from triniprincess or youngarts, I'll extend you the courtesy of a response :)

Hmmm, little Charles Weasel, Wanna talk s h i t like he's the big man on campus. Do you even understand what you're talking about anymore? What a ****ing retard. Go drown yaself in knowledge before you talk S h i t to ppl who are way out of your league. You trivial individual.

[CharlesWenzel]

Trying to be funny when you're a noob. Hmm, anyway, look at the shit that you contradicted yourself on and then call yourself a tard you ass hole. I know more than you. And you double posted. Did you know that can get you banned? Hmm....shows how smart you are. How about next time we debate, you come with better facts than that b u l l s h i t you posted to me before. Maybe I'll even reply back. Psssstttt, Get outta here.



Hmmm, little Charles Weasel, Wanna talk s h i t like he's the big man on campus. Do you even understand what you're talking about anymore? What a ****ing retard. Go drown yaself in knowledge before you talk S h i t to ppl who are way out of your league. You trivial individual.

Lol, my job here is done :P, like I give 2 shits if I get banned or not, I just did it to piss you off, which I did and am now happy for it. But now watch, your going to come back with a reply saying "oh dude bro i aint mad yo homie im straight ballin' yo, you whack dawg" But what this really means is "waa waa im not crying"

To re-iterate, lawl.

[Trini Emperor]

Lol, my job here is done :P, like I give 2 shits if I get banned or not, I just did it to piss you off, which I did and am now happy for it. But now watch, your going to come back with a reply saying "oh dude bro i aint mad yo homie im straight ballin' yo, you whack dawg" But what this really means is "waa waa im not crying"

To re-iterate, lawl.

Hahaha, you're so right, I'm honestly not mad at you. Ask anybody in this forum, I deal with ppl like you all the time. And it makes me laugh every second when you guys post things that makes you look stupid. I have status around these parts bro, you can't come into my territory and try to make me feel dumb. You're a waste of space, so go crawl into your little hole, you little cockroach. Little weasel trying to talk S h i t. A weasel in constantly sniffing on the ground looking for food. And that's where you'll stay, beneath my feet. And if you reread my first post to you, I told you that when I talk to you the way you talk to yungartz, don't complain. So I was chillin the whole time playboy. "Go back in ya cage before I pwn you again little tweety"

[Sato]

"Put it like this, say when you go to a friends house, you make toast. Now, you obviously want to put butter on it, right? You see a butter knife. it's there to use, but it's not exactly your to use it but you use it to butter yor toast anyways."

Same situation, only kakashi, make it seem different than narutos deal with the kyuubi, but ahh you can't because gee, he wasn't born with it, and gee, he uses it every fight.. but he trains to use it? Big deal, real hard work involved in letting the eye do all the work till you adjust to it. Since your a seperate dumbass from triniprincess or youngarts, I'll extend you the courtesy of a response :)

*Sigh* Why do idiots like you come on this site? Seriously, this is the exact reason why I don't post as much anymore. Also, Kakashi's case is far different from Naruto's. Here. Let me put it in simplere terms AGAIN.

You see, theres a difference between being given something by the owner, and just using something that belongs to someone. I already did the butter and toast thing for you. So heres a different comparison.

Someone buys something and is planning on using it. Only problem is they don't have a clue as to how to utilize it. When they finally learn how to use it, something comes up and they see that another person can use it better. So, they give it to them as a gift. Now, they train to use it and, of course get better than the person who originally bought it. So, now that the original owner no longer has it in their possesion, it's the new owners to use. Hope that was simple enough for you. Or is it still too difficult to wrap your brain around that?

Also, Kakashi didn't just adjust to the eye. He hadto train in order to master it to the degree which he did. If he just adjusted, he would still have 2 Tomoe and not 3.

Seeing as I'm obviously not a dumbass and you are the actual dumbass, don't compare my intelligence level to the likes of you. You just annoyed me which is obviously what you wanted to do. Now that you've done it, leave. You're gonna be a real nuissance. I can already tell. Now, if you want to get pwned again, just tell me. I'll be waiting.

Hahaha, you're so right, I'm honestly not mad at you. Ask anybody in this forum, I deal with ppl like you all the time. And it makes me laugh every second when you guys post things that makes you look stupid. I have status around these parts bro, you can't come into my territory and try to make me feel dumb. You're a waste of space, so go crawl into your little hole, you little cockroach. Little weasel trying to talk S h i t. A weasel in constantly sniffing on the ground looking for food. And that's where you'll stay, beneath my feet. And if you reread my first post to you, I told you that when I talk to you the way you talk to yungartz, don't complain. So I was chillin the whole time playboy. "Go back in ya cage before I pwn you again little tweety"

Hahahaha. This one made me laugh. Hey, what you been up to anyways?

[robertkmy]

I normally come to this forum to post or get ideas on what i think is going on in the manga. i don't really do that often so when i do i like to make it count. its hard to do that if people just keep insultin themselves plus i know u guys can do better cos i've gotten ideas from ur previous posts especially trinprince. so please lets get back to naruto.
Ps. the sharinga is not a power up if it means anything coming from me, don't think it wud though....

[Trini Emperor]

*Sigh* Why do idiots like you come on this site? Seriously, this is the exact reason why I don't post as much anymore. Also, Kakashi's case is far different from Naruto's. Here. Let me put it in simplere terms AGAIN.

You see, theres a difference between being given something by the owner, and just using something that belongs to someone. I already did the butter and toast thing for you. So heres a different comparison.

Someone buys something and is planning on using it. Only problem is they don't have a clue as to how to utilize it. When they finally learn how to use it, something comes up and they see that another person can use it better. So, they give it to them as a gift. Now, they train to use it and, of course get better than the person who originally bought it. So, now that the original owner no longer has it in their possesion, it's the new owners to use. Hope that was simple enough for you. Or is it still too difficult to wrap your brain around that?

Also, Kakashi didn't just adjust to the eye. He hadto train in order to master it to the degree which he did. If he just adjusted, he would still have 2 Tomoe and not 3.

Seeing as I'm obviously not a dumbass and you are the actual dumbass, don't compare my intelligence level to the likes of you. You just annoyed me which is obviously what you wanted to do. Now that you've done it, leave. You're gonna be a real nuissance. I can already tell. Now, if you want to get pwned again, just tell me. I'll be waiting.



Hahahaha. This one made me laugh. Hey, what you been up to anyways?

Lolz, I've been chillin man, just takin it easy. The posting def went down man, hardly anyone is here anymore. What's up with you and how is school dude?


I normally come to this forum to post or get ideas on what i think is going on in the manga. i don't really do that often so when i do i like to make it count. its hard to do that if people just keep insultin themselves plus i know u guys can do better cos i've gotten ideas from ur previous posts especially trinprince. so please lets get back to naruto.
Ps. the sharinga is not a power up if it means anything coming from me, don't think it wud though....

Thanks for the shout out dude, and try to post more often bro, it's would be a good thing, Trust me.

[Six Paths Sage]

The spoiler says yahiko died from a sky bomb:confused: and something about a snake. Maybe a oriochimaru came back and did what jiraiya couldn't do like try to kill all three of them?

[CharlesWenzel]

*Sigh* Why do idiots like you come on this site? Seriously, this is the exact reason why I don't post as much anymore. Also, Kakashi's case is far different from Naruto's. Here. Let me put it in simplere terms AGAIN.

You see, theres a difference between being given something by the owner, and just using something that belongs to someone. I already did the butter and toast thing for you. So heres a different comparison.

Someone buys something and is planning on using it. Only problem is they don't have a clue as to how to utilize it. When they finally learn how to use it, something comes up and they see that another person can use it better. So, they give it to them as a gift. Now, they train to use it and, of course get better than the person who originally bought it. So, now that the original owner no longer has it in their possesion, it's the new owners to use. Hope that was simple enough for you. Or is it still too difficult to wrap your brain around that?

Also, Kakashi didn't just adjust to the eye. He hadto train in order to master it to the degree which he did. If he just adjusted, he would still have 2 Tomoe and not 3.

Seeing as I'm obviously not a dumbass and you are the actual dumbass, don't compare my intelligence level to the likes of you. You just annoyed me which is obviously what you wanted to do. Now that you've done it, leave. You're gonna be a real nuissance. I can already tell. Now, if you want to get pwned again, just tell me. I'll be waiting.



Hahahaha. This one made me laugh. Hey, what you been up to anyways?

You just annoyed me which is obviously what you wanted to do

Where would you get that notion from, captain obvious?!

+100 points to the wenz! Lololololo

[Sato]

Lolz, I've been chillin man, just takin it easy. The posting def went down man, hardly anyone is here anymore. What's up with you and how is school dude?.

Oh, schools good. What about you? How's disney treating you?

You just annoyed me which is obviously what you wanted to do

Where would you get that notion from, captain obvious?!

+100 points to the wenz! Lololololo

*Facepalm*(I find myself doing that more often now.)

Ok, first of all, I never tried to annoy you so just shut up. And yeah, good for you with the +100 points. Now, since you've accomplished what you wanted to do, shut up.

[yungartz]

Did not reinforce nothing nowhere, ahh okay I'm going to apologize for trying to talk logically, and I now realize common sense is seldom found these days.





Same situation, only kakashi, make it seem different than narutos deal with the kyuubi, but ahh you can't because gee, he wasn't born with it, and gee, he uses it every fight.. but he trains to use it? Big deal, real hard work involved in letting the eye do all the work till you adjust to it. Since your a seperate dumbass from triniprincess or youngarts, I'll extend you the courtesy of a response :)

Lmfao I absolutely love how you are not talking about the subject we were currently on. why is that.....because you were wrong and you had non to say about it

wooow. If you don't understand the difference between using something that's someone elses at your disposal and and using something that is yours at your disposal then im seriously just wondering how you even have that Measly 3 rep thingy you have going for you . and when you copyed T.P with that yo dawg just chillin shit don't do that you pussy , some might take that offensive just like how i did , Smarten up.

But what I absolutely love the most is the way you think you can come on this site shut down nubs with rudness and continue to Attempted ( and I use the term attempted very loosely because you can hardly even consider it that ) to out smart some of the smartest on this site. Your something man GET THE **** OUT.


A word from the young , yet skilled animation artiest

[CharlesWenzel]

Lmfao I absolutely love how you are not talking about the subject we were currently on. why is that.....because you were wrong and you had non to say about it

wooow. If you don't understand the difference between using something that's someone elses at your disposal and and using something that is yours at your disposal then im seriously just wondering how you even have that Measly 3 rep thingy you have going for you . and when you copyed T.P with that yo dawg just chillin shit don't do that you pussy , some might take that offensive just like how i did , Smarten up.

But what I absolutely love the most is the way you think you can come on this site shut down nubs with rudness and continue to Attempted ( and I use the term attempted very loosely because you can hardly even consider it that ) to out smart some of the smartest on this site. Your something man GET THE **** OUT.


A word from the young , yet skilled animation artiest

yo homie if u iz considur yoself smart cuz you is waste ur lyfe theorizin' a comic on da internet dawg, you is ****in retarded bro dog homie.
ya feel me dog? maybe none of you retards know what your talking about because homie its like this dog, u dont write da story bro, u read it, so da only home dog who is knowin what he be talkin bout is da kishimoto, so u shut da **** up home dawg, dayum boii u juzz got pwndtz

[doger]

yo homie if u iz considur yoself smart cuz you is waste ur lyfe theorizin' a comic on da internet dawg, you is ****in retarded bro dog homie.
ya feel me dog? maybe none of you retards know what your talking about because homie its like this dog, u dont write da story bro, u read it, so da only home dog who is knowin what he be talkin bout is da kishimoto, so u shut da **** up home dawg, dayum boii u juzz got pwndtz

Now I'm telling you to STFU.
If you're only going to flame members because everything you thought up as "intellegent" has been pwn'd, then get out! This is only for predictions.
You haven't pwn'd anyone; we know we aren't Kishi. That's why we predict and discuss. If you can't do that, take your fail elsewhere.

On topic!

Well as far as the spoilers go, it seems they are going to do Yahiko's death.
This should be interesting. It will clear up what really happened. If Nagato killed him or got crippled fighting, or whether Yahiko saved them and died in the process. I'm pretty curious as to what went down back then.

Hopefully Konan helps the Konoha shinobi. She's close to Pain all the time, so anything she has is useful. If Nagato dies, she should help the Leaf Ninja.

And finally! The Nagato Arc is coming to a close. I can't wait to see what happens next.

[gambaku]

Kabuto/Orochimaru arc.

[Chris~sama]

yo homie if u iz considur yoself smart cuz you is waste ur lyfe theorizin' a comic on da internet dawg, you is ****in retarded bro dog homie.
ya feel me dog? maybe none of you retards know what your talking about because homie its like this dog, u dont write da story bro, u read it, so da only home dog who is knowin what he be talkin bout is da kishimoto, so u shut da **** up home dawg, dayum boii u juzz got pwndtz


Lmao,I find it funny your calling us retards,when your typing ebonics over the computer. Dude,can you get anymore fail then that? internet gangster? I mean really.


LMAO!

http://images.paraorkut.com/img/pics/images/g/gangster_myself-2172.jpg


Also,something that I find laughable..if you did'nt register on the site to talk about the comics or anime's currently being made,why did you register at all? just to be a troll? Dude...

http://www.failpix.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/fail.png

[CharlesWenzel]

Now I'm telling you to STFU.
If you're only going to flame members because everything you thought up as "intellegent" has been pwn'd, then get out! This is only for predictions.
You haven't pwn'd anyone; we know we aren't Kishi. That's why we predict and discuss. If you can't do that, take your fail elsewhere.

On topic!

Well as far as the spoilers go, it seems they are going to do Yahiko's death.
This should be interesting. It will clear up what really happened. If Nagato killed him or got crippled fighting, or whether Yahiko saved them and died in the process. I'm pretty curious as to what went down back then.

Hopefully Konan helps the Konoha shinobi. She's close to Pain all the time, so anything she has is useful. If Nagato dies, she should help the Leaf Ninja.

And finally! The Nagato Arc is coming to a close. I can't wait to see what happens next.

no homie i tink u r rong bro i tink dat naruto iz gon steal pains eyez as a present from da nagato dog, n den he n konon r gonna b lovurs n den naruto gon have rinnegan clones dog i ben theroizin dis for da last 3 months i cant w8 4 u 2 replai bak homie i wan here wut u say

[Chris~sama]

no homie i tink u r rong bro i tink dat naruto iz gon steal pains eyez as a present from da nagato dog, n den he n konon r gonna b lovurs n den naruto gon have rinnegan clones dog i ben theroizin dis for da last 3 months i cant w8 4 u 2 replai bak homie i wan here wut u say


Lmao.....I highly doubt that......Naruto is over powered enough mixing sage and kyuubi into 1. Muchless having Rinnegan naruto...I think i'd put a bounty on Kishi's head then.

Behold....Naruto with Samsara's eyes.

http://fc08.deviantart.com/fs37/f/2008/279/d/b/Sage_Naru_discovers_Rinnegan_by_Miss_Anonymiss.jpg


*tries to hold in laughter*

[yungartz]

Now I'm telling you to STFU.
If you're only going to flame members because everything you thought up as "intellegent" has been pwn'd, then get out! This is only for predictions.
You haven't pwn'd anyone; we know we aren't Kishi. That's why we predict and discuss. If you can't do that, take your fail elsewhere.

On topic!

Well as far as the spoilers go, it seems they are going to do Yahiko's death.
This should be interesting. It will clear up what really happened. If Nagato killed him or got crippled fighting, or whether Yahiko saved them and died in the process. I'm pretty curious as to what went down back then.

Hopefully Konan helps the Konoha shinobi. She's close to Pain all the time, so anything she has is useful. If Nagato dies, she should help the Leaf Ninja.

And finally! The Nagato Arc is coming to a close. I can't wait to see what happens next.

If they are showing on yohikio's death , that would be very interesting. Im looking forward to seeing how he died to. The must have been traumatizing if nageto is the one that did not kill him even though im sure he did not. Maybe in the process of negeto saving yohiko if that is what happened we might see more of him using the 6 elements , showing more of what the renningan is capable of.

I still hope we find out more about the sage of six paths through nageto.

[CharlesWenzel]

If they are showing on yohikio's death , that would be very interesting. Im looking forward to seeing how he died to. The must have been traumatizing if nageto is the one that did not kill him even though im sure he did not. Maybe in the process of negeto saving yohiko if that is what happened we might see more of him using the 6 elements , showing more of what the renningan is capable of.

I still hope we find out more about the sage of six paths through nageto.

Yes I totally agree with you homie and + rep

[yungartz]

Yes I totally agree with you homie and + rep

Even though i dont see the rep you have said to have given me i reped you for the previous post before things got how they got and im glad you supposedly agree with me.

[yungartz]

It really doesn't matter what point he made, I didn't really care about the whole, 'it doesn't matter where you get your power' discussion. I ignored that, because that discussion is pure ignorance on his part. Read it over and answer that honestly.
If you realized, my discussion was mainly on the sharingan not being a power-up. Good points or not, I proved him wrong on that point. No matter if some might see it as a power up or not, main point is, it is not a power up.

Therefore, I made his points on the whole power-up discussion irrelevant.http://forums.saiyanisland.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

The Kyuubi has no choice but to lend Naruto his power, if Naruto dies, he dies.

Agreeable, I said that the Sharingan was way too overpowered in one of my previous post.

The Sharingan does help with speed in terms of slowing down movements so that the user can read Taijutsu moves a lot easier to counter. But it doesn't work if the user's body isn't up to the task. Basically, the user has to train his body to meet the requirements of the sharingan. So even though it helps in speed, if the user cannot keep up, that little advantage is useless.

Nageto stated that he had two great sources of pain. The first was the death of his parents , as he stated him self. Im going to assume the other is yohikio's death. It seems reasonable but is that what kishi wants us to think is the question here. because im sure their can be at least 2 other reasons for his source of pain.

This is a need to know bases questio. How exactly would i make an anime because im not sure of the hole proses. would you need to make up all the characters and storyline and submit it to a company or something? Im clueless on this one.

[RavenArchangel]

Trying to be funny when you're a noob. Hmm, anyway, look at the shit that you contradicted yourself on and then call yourself a tard you ass hole. I know more than you. And you double posted. Did you know that can get you banned? Hmm....shows how smart you are. How about next time we debate, you come with better facts than that b u l l s h i t you posted to me before. Maybe I'll even reply back. Psssstttt, Get outta here.



Hmmm, little Charles Weasel, Wanna talk s h i t like he's the big man on campus. Do you even understand what you're talking about anymore? What a ****ing retard. Go drown yaself in knowledge before you talk S h i t to ppl who are way out of your league. You trivial individual.
dude, instead of provin his idiocy, your losing your cool. Thats not gonna help at all..I realy think you missed an oppertunity to destroy his post. Hopefully I can oblidge.

"Put it like this, say when you go to a friends house, you make toast. Now, you obviously want to put butter on it, right? You see a butter knife. it's there to use, but it's not exactly your to use it but you use it to butter yor toast anyways."

Same situation, only kakashi, make it seem different than narutos deal with the kyuubi, but ahh you can't because gee, he wasn't born with it, and gee, he uses it every fight.. but he trains to use it? Big deal, real hard work involved in letting the eye do all the work till you adjust to it. Since your a seperate dumbass from triniprincess or youngarts, I'll extend you the courtesy of a response :)
It takes alot more than just letting his eye do all the work.
First and foremost notice this:

"The Sharingan's first and most well known ability is to memorize any technique that it witnesses. It can memorize Ninjutsu, Genjutsu, and Taijutsu with perfect accuracy, allowing the user to use the techniques as his own. In order to reproduce copied jutsu, however, one must have the necessary skill or ability to perform them. A prime example is Rock Lee's brand of Taijutsu. While Sasuke was able to copy some of Lee's moves, they put a much more significant strain on him since he hasn't trained physically nearly as hard as Lee has. "

I also believe that If you don't have the correct nature affinity, that you can't steal the jutsu. Hence why Sasuke doesn't use more than he already does. Kakashi is simply gifted with having more than the average amount of Nature affinities (isn't it like 3?..not counting Anime Filler I mean)


Now notice the next one:
"The Sharingan also grants the user incredible clarity of perception, allowing them to track fast-moving objects with ease and even predict the subsequent movements of those objects. The ability to track and predict movement is largely based on individual skill, as unskilled users have much more trouble tracking fast-moving objects. "

That means that if the person lacks the ablity to keep up, THEY WILL STILL LOSE EVEN WITH THE SHARINGAN. Its not as cheap as you think -facepalm-

Next:
"This perception is also great enough to see through Genjutsu, depending upon the skill of the user, and the ability to observe the movement and flow of chakra, but not to the same extent or clarity as the Byakugan. "

So in that area, Byakugan has an ADVANTAGE!

So as you can see, maybe its not what you think it is.
Lmao,I find it funny your calling us retards,when your typing ebonics over the computer. Dude,can you get anymore fail then that? internet gangster? I mean really.


LMAO!

http://images.paraorkut.com/img/pics/images/g/gangster_myself-2172.jpg


Also,something that I find laughable..if you did'nt register on the site to talk about the comics or anime's currently being made,why did you register at all? just to be a troll? Dude...

FAIL

I know right? XD but enough, I think we should ignore him now. He's a waste of time who thinks its funny to get a reaction from people. Pathetic and a waste of time.
Nageto stated that he had two great sources of pain. The first was the death of his parents , as he stated him self. Im going to assume the other is yohikio's death. It seems reasonable but is that what kishi wants us to think is the question here. because im sure their can be at least 2 other reasons for his source of pain.

This is a need to know bases questio. How exactly would i make an anime because im not sure of the hole proses. would you need to make up all the characters and storyline and submit it to a company or something? Im clueless on this one.


In order for it to be that big of a deal, it has to be more than just Yahiko dying. It has to be how he died, and somone else has to've died during it..or somthing bigger than simply Yahiko dying at least. I mean, look at how Pain acts..it'd be rather stupid if he was like this over somthing as simple as parents and freind dying. Sure that can lead to a very sad individual, but it seems a little too anticlimactic to me..there has to be more to it than that. (Tho I could be wrong, and have a feeling I might be)

[Byasharinnegan]

Think of the Sharingan and the Kyuubi like this, you consider the Kyuubi a powerup do you not? But you don't consider the Sharingan to be a powerup... The Sharingan is inside the Uchihas blood line when they are born. Yet many of them never unlock the Sharingans true power(Mangekyo). Now, Naruto was essentially born with the Kyuubi inside him, (No real differentiation from the Uchihas being born with a Sharingan lying dormant), now you say that the Sharingan isn't a powerup because they "earn" it or some bullshit, yet you say they only attain it through desperation... Ok, lets go with that, Naruto's Kyuubi isn't considered a powerup then by that logic and it is his to use he owns it. He was BORN with it, he only gets the powers through desperation usually, and he trains just as hard as any Uchiha. However he doesn't rely on that like Uchiha do, if they didnt have Sharingan sure they would be talented shinobi but, they wouldn't be shit compared to others like Hashirama Senju(1st Hokage) or Hanzo the Salamander. Now Naruto on the other hand, without the Kyuubis chakra or power was fighting on par with Pein. Can you say any Uchiha without his Sharingan could reach that level? No, so its OBVIOUSLY A DAMN POWERUP. Lawl dog lissen hurr ya hurd i toetully disproov ur poynt dawg i a wieght ur reply homie.

[Byasharinnegan]

dude, instead of provin his idiocy, your losing your cool. Thats not gonna help at all..I realy think you missed an oppertunity to destroy his post. Hopefully I can oblidge.


It takes alot more than just letting his eye do all the work.
First and foremost notice this:

"The Sharingan's first and most well known ability is to memorize any technique that it witnesses. It can memorize Ninjutsu, Genjutsu, and Taijutsu with perfect accuracy, allowing the user to use the techniques as his own. In order to reproduce copied jutsu, however, one must have the necessary skill or ability to perform them. A prime example is Rock Lee's brand of Taijutsu. While Sasuke was able to copy some of Lee's moves, they put a much more significant strain on him since he hasn't trained physically nearly as hard as Lee has. "

I also believe that If you don't have the correct nature affinity, that you can't steal the jutsu. Hence why Sasuke doesn't use more than he already does. Kakashi is simply gifted with having more than the average amount of Nature affinities (isn't it like 3?..not counting Anime Filler I mean)


Now notice the next one:
"The Sharingan also grants the user incredible clarity of perception, allowing them to track fast-moving objects with ease and even predict the subsequent movements of those objects. The ability to track and predict movement is largely based on individual skill, as unskilled users have much more trouble tracking fast-moving objects. "

That means that if the person lacks the ablity to keep up, THEY WILL STILL LOSE EVEN WITH THE SHARINGAN. Its not as cheap as you think -facepalm-

Next:
"This perception is also great enough to see through Genjutsu, depending upon the skill of the user, and the ability to observe the movement and flow of chakra, but not to the same extent or clarity as the Byakugan. "

So in that area, Byakugan has an ADVANTAGE!

So as you can see, maybe its not what you think it is.


I know right? XD but enough, I think we should ignore him now. He's a waste of time who thinks its funny to get a reaction from people. Pathetic and a waste of time.


In order for it to be that big of a deal, it has to be more than just Yahiko dying. It has to be how he died, and somone else has to've died during it..or somthing bigger than simply Yahiko dying at least. I mean, look at how Pain acts..it'd be rather stupid if he was like this over somthing as simple as parents and freind dying. Sure that can lead to a very sad individual, but it seems a little too anticlimactic to me..there has to be more to it than that. (Tho I could be wrong, and have a feeling I might be)

Alright let me in turn destroy your logic for Charles. First off you say that an untrained user cant possibly control Sharingan as well as someone who has been training a long time correct? Well Naruto couldnt control the Kyuubi when it first came out but would you not agree he has been able to control it more and more each time? Hes getting more experience. Without it hes still an amazing shinobi. Without Sharingan Uchiha aint shit.

[RavenArchangel]

Alright let me in turn destroy your logic for Charles. First off you say that an untrained user cant possibly control Sharingan as well as someone who has been training a long time correct? Well Naruto couldnt control the Kyuubi when it first came out but would you not agree he has been able to control it more and more each time? Hes getting more experience. Without it hes still an amazing shinobi. Without Sharingan Uchiha aint shit.
Wrong. In order to be a good user of the sharingan, they have to be able to build up. If they suddenly lost their sharingan for example (and lets pretend they didn't have the jutsus they copied either) heres what would be left:

One or two jutsu they made themselves.
Extremely good Taijutsu or a very fast movement ablities (becauset they have to build that up on their own..a Sharingan tellst hem HOW to do things, but they have to move their body to do so on their own, the eyes don't do it for them)
and thats about it.

So yes, they wouldn't be as good, HOWEVER, they'd be at least fast, skilled in Taijutsu in some form, and have a jutsu or two (likely more)

furthermore, even with it, each part of it has a drawback..I really don't see them b eing crappy shinobi without them. Yeah, I dare you to say Itachi was a poor Shinobi if he didn't have the sharingan..but you know what, I'm tired and I figure somone els can do this for me. So I will. If I think of more to add I will later.
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BTW: Naruto without Kyuubi mode? Well I presume then you also mean without Sage Mode as well, since its basically the same thing.

In that case, Naruto has one really strong attack, a few decent ones, and other than that..actually he isn't nearly as good as an Uchiha without a sharingan is. Hell, its a wonder he's still alive.

He's a great guy but I mean come on, his Taijutsu is amateruish at best. He has no Genjutsu. The typical Uchiha does, even without a Sharingan. Other than RS, all his other attacks aren't that good (and are all based on the Rasengan) His RS has too many drawbacks anyways, so he can't use it. (Unless in Sage mode which we aren't counting since you said no Kyuubi mode and they're almost the same thing) he barely taps into his elemental ablities (aside from RS and things like it) and while yes, hes begining to get smarter, he is by no means as smart as the average Uchiha is. He's no genius. Thats just not who Naruto is. So really, you're defense was rather lame. Next time THINK before you try to destroy somones post. K?

[Byasharinnegan]

Wrong. In order to be a good user of the sharingan, they have to be able to build up. If they suddenly lost their sharingan for example (and lets pretend they didn't have the jutsus they copied either) heres what would be left:

One or two jutsu they made themselves.
Extremely good Taijutsu or a very fast movement ablities (becauset they have to build that up on their own..a Sharingan tellst hem HOW to do things, but they have to move their body to do so on their own, the eyes don't do it for them)
and thats about it.

So yes, they wouldn't be as good, HOWEVER, they'd be at least fast, skilled in Taijutsu in some form, and have a jutsu or two (likely more)

furthermore, even with it, each part of it has a drawback..I really don't see them b eing crappy shinobi without them. Yeah, I dare you to say Itachi was a poor Shinobi if he didn't have the sharingan..but you know what, I'm tired and I figure somone els can do this for me. So I will. If I think of more to add I will later.
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BTW: Naruto without Kyuubi mode? Well I presume then you also mean without Sage Mode as well, since its basically the same thing.

In that case, Naruto has one really strong attack, a few decent ones, and other than that..actually he isn't nearly as good as an Uchiha without a sharingan is. Hell, its a wonder he's still alive.

He's a great guy but I mean come on, his Taijutsu is amateruish at best. He has no Genjutsu. The typical Uchiha does, even without a Sharingan. Other than RS, all his other attacks aren't that good (and are all based on the Rasengan) His RS has too many drawbacks anyways, so he can't use it. (Unless in Sage mode which we aren't counting since you said no Kyuubi mode and they're almost the same thing) he barely taps into his elemental ablities (aside from RS and things like it) and while yes, hes begining to get smarter, he is by no means as smart as the average Uchiha is. He's no genius. Thats just not who Naruto is. So really, you're defense was rather lame. Next time THINK before you try to destroy somones post. K?

Yes because Obito was such a GRAND ninja right? Give me a break, before he activated the Sharingan he was a nothing. He wasnt fast, was terrible at just about all of his jutsu and just an all around failure. But what do you know? He activates it and takes out those other shinobi. Hmm Not a power boost huh? Give me a break...


Sage mode and Kyuubi mode is now the same thing? I guess there really is no arguing with you guys. You have it set in your head that anything he uses isnt his. Sage mode, nah not his someone else taught him it. Rasengan his? Nope, the 4th created it. Its sickening to read some of the ignorant posts on these boards. Yours especially. When you "try" and thats a big try, to add logic behind your opinion, you say something that completely contradicts all of your other points. Its like a know it all that knows nothing.

There, destroyed.

[Trini Emperor]

dude, instead of provin his idiocy, your losing your cool. Thats not gonna help at all..I realy think you missed an oppertunity to destroy his post. Hopefully I can oblidge.


Chipmonk, I stopped trying to destroy his post a longggg time ago. If you realized, after, not just me, but yungarts, blackjack and Sato tried to talk sense into him, he completely disregarded anything about the discussion and went on an idiot spree. So, I dropped my resolve also. I really didn't care anymore. It's one thing to explain something to a stubborn person, but to a plain idiot, it doesn't work like that. And honestly, I was going to leave him alone, but I felt a little wicked at the time, so I had my fun in talking spit to him.

Yes because Obito was such a GRAND ninja right? Give me a break, before he activated the Sharingan he was a nothing. He wasnt fast, was terrible at just about all of his jutsu and just an all around failure. But what do you know? He activates it and takes out those other shinobi. Hmm Not a power boost huh? Give me a break...


Sage mode and Kyuubi mode is now the same thing? I guess there really is no arguing with you guys. You have it set in your head that anything he uses isnt his. Sage mode, nah not his someone else taught him it. Rasengan his? Nope, the 4th created it. Its sickening to read some of the ignorant posts on these boards. Yours especially. When you "try" and thats a big try, to add logic behind your opinion, you say something that completely contradicts all of your other points. Its like a know it all that knows nothing.

There, destroyed.

The Sharingan doesn't give a power boost, chill with the attitude man. Plz don't let this be a repeat of what happened previously with that idiot Charles Wenzel. The Sharingan doesn't boost your powers, it gives an advantage over your opponents, there's a difference. I don't know if you read, but if an Uchiha's body isn't able to keep up with what the Sharingan reads or copies, then it's pretty much a waste. I don't think I need to tell you the many ways in which a Sharingan makes an Uchiha very advantageous in a fight. If you need to know, plz reply. And Chip wasn't trying to be a know it all, as far as I'm concerned, that's what you're doing. You're new here and you're trying to trash talk and put down someone who's one of the most intelligent individuals on this forum and have been here longer than you. He knows more than you, that's no mistake.

Kyuubi Mode and Sage Mode is the same thing in a couple of ways.

Boost in strength, speed and power overall.
Not to mention both MODES are power ups from an outside source. Why are you guys being so hardheaded? This is so obvious.

The Kyuubi's power is not his. To explain in Baby Terms, The Kyuubi is an entity by itself. It was sealed within Naruto, making it what? An outside sourceeeeeee. This is getting ridiculous.

Sage Mode is an outside power since it uses an outside energy source. In other words, it's not something Naruto could do by himself because Sage Chakra is of the surroundings and not regularly a part of him like Spiritual and Physical Chakra.

[doger]

Yes because Obito was such a GRAND ninja right? Give me a break, before he activated the Sharingan he was a nothing. He wasnt fast, was terrible at just about all of his jutsu and just an all around failure. But what do you know? He activates it and takes out those other shinobi. Hmm Not a power boost huh? Give me a break...

No. If you had an extra muscle in your arm that gave you strength, and it inherited through your genes, it's not a power up. That's in your DNA. It's not something you can say, nah I don't want it anymore. You can stop using the Sharingan, Byakugan, Rinnegan, etc., but to get rid of it, you'd have to take out eyes. It's not something that comes and goes. There crushed. It seems you don't realize what a power up is. The Mushrooms that make you grow in Mario. Powerup. Being born is not a power up. In those clans, the gene is passed down. You don't get to chose what clan you were born into. Whatever clan you're born into, you inherit the Kekkei Genkai. It's not your choice.


Sage mode and Kyuubi mode is now the same thing? I guess there really is no arguing with you guys. You have it set in your head that anything he uses isnt his. Sage mode, nah not his someone else taught him it. Rasengan his? Nope, the 4th created it. Its sickening to read some of the ignorant posts on these boards. Yours especially. When you "try" and thats a big try, to add logic behind your opinion, you say something that completely contradicts all of your other points. Its like a know it all that knows nothing.

There, destroyed.

Ok, shut up no0b. This is Fail. You haven't destroyed anyone, It's the internet. It's sickening to read your post.


Kyuubi and Sage mode aren't his. He wasn't born into a Kyuubi clan, nor a Sage Clan. There's a difference between having something and it being yours.
Naruto uses these power ups, because they come and go. It's not something he inherited. The power fades, and he's left as himself. He can use them, but it's not something passed down.

Second, Naruto's already made the Rasengan his.





Fixed!

[Byasharinnegan]

Chipmonk, I stopped trying to destroy his post a longggg time ago. If you realized, after, not just me, but yungarts, blackjack and Sato tried to talk sense into him, he completely disregarded anything about the discussion and went on an idiot spree. So, I dropped my resolve also. I really didn't care anymore. It's one thing to explain something to a stubborn person, but to a plain idiot, it doesn't work like that. And honestly, I was going to leave him alone, but I felt a little wicked at the time, so I had my fun in talking spit to him.



The Sharingan doesn't give a power boost, chill with the attitude man. Plz don't let this be a repeat of what happened previously with that idiot Charles Wenzel. The Sharingan doesn't boost your powers, it gives an advantage over your opponents, there's a difference. I don't know if you read, but if an Uchiha's body isn't able to keep up with what the Sharingan reads or copies, then it's pretty much a waste. I don't think I need to tell you the many ways in which a Sharingan makes an Uchiha very advantageous in a fight. If you need to know, plz reply. And Chip wasn't trying to be a know it all, as far as I'm concerned, that's what you're doing. You're new here and you're trying to trash talk and put down someone who's one of the most intelligent individuals on this forum and have been here longer than you. He knows more than you, that's no mistake.

Kyuubi Mode and Sage Mode is the same thing in a couple of ways.

Boost in strength, speed and power overall.
Not to mention both MODES are power ups from an outside source. Why are you guys being so hardheaded? This is so obvious.

The Kyuubi's power is not his. To explain in Baby Terms, The Kyuubi is an entity by itself. It was sealed within Naruto, making it what? An outside sourceeeeeee. This is getting ridiculous.

Sage Mode is an outside power since it uses an outside energy source. In other words, it's not something Naruto could do by himself because Sage Chakra is of the surroundings and not regularly a part of him like Spiritual and Physical Chakra.

You're quick to insult others and then whine because they aren't respectful to you in return.

Did you read what I said? Obviously not. You skim each post to pick and choose what to ***** about. Read what was said about Obito. Or keep on ignoring the fact, that it completely disproves your whole theory on the relativitey that Sharingan IS A POWER BOOST. And if you want to speak technically. Sure the Kyuubi is its own entity, but the same can be said for the Sharingan in the most technical of forms. Giving someones eyeball to another person? and it still retains all of the power from the previous owner? If anything it is its own entity, and therefore just resides in that of the Uchiha clan just as the Kyuubi resides within Naruto.

So all these "facts" that you seem to think prove everything you are saying are moot. If you think "chimpmonk" is so damn smart then elope. Its like you're up everyone elses ass when they don't agree with you. Get over yourself.

[doger]

You're quick to insult others and then whine because they aren't respectful to you in return.

Did you read what I said? Obviously not. You skim each post to pick and choose what to ***** about. Read what was said about Obito. Or keep on ignoring the fact, that it completely disproves your whole theory on the relativitey that Sharingan IS A POWER BOOST. And if you want to speak technically. Sure the Kyuubi is its own entity, but the same can be said for the Sharingan in the most technical of forms. Giving someones eyeball to another person? and it still retains all of the power from the previous owner? If anything it is its own entity, and therefore just resides in that of the Uchiha clan just as the Kyuubi resides within Naruto.

So all these "facts" that you seem to think prove everything you are saying are moot. If you think "chimpmonk" is so damn smart then elope. Its like you're up everyone elses ass when they don't agree with you. Get over yourself.


This would be funny, except no one's agreeing with you.
How Ironic.

[Byasharinnegan]

Originally Posted by Byasharinnegan
Yes because Obito was such a GRAND ninja right? Give me a break, before he activated the Sharingan he was a nothing. He wasnt fast, was terrible at just about all of his jutsu and just an all around failure. But what do you know? He activates it and takes out those other shinobi. Hmm Not a power boost huh? Give me a break...

No. If you had an extra muscle in your arm that gave you strength, and it inherited through your genes, it's not a power up. That's in your DNA. It's not something you can say, nah I don't want it anymore. You can stop using the Sharingan, Byakugan, Rinnegan, etc., but to get rid of it, you'd have to take out eyes. It's not something that comes and goes. There crushed. It seems you don't realize what a power up is. The Mushrooms that make you grow in Mario. Powerup. Being born is not a power up. In those clans, the gene is passed down. You don't get to chose what clan you were born into. Whatever clan you're born into, you inherit the Kekkei Genkai. It's not your choice.
So can you rip a muscle off and give it to someone else? Umm no, now you're just being ignorant and making dumb comparisons. Also it might be in there genes, but it isnt unlocked until they actually train it or have it unlocked for them. Same goes for Naruto and the Kyuubi. There point disproven AGAIN...


Sage mode and Kyuubi mode is now the same thing? I guess there really is no arguing with you guys. You have it set in your head that anything he uses isnt his. Sage mode, nah not his someone else taught him it. Rasengan his? Nope, the 4th created it. Its sickening to read some of the ignorant posts on these boards. Yours especially. When you "try" and thats a big try, to add logic behind your opinion, you say something that completely contradicts all of your other points. Its like a know it all that knows nothing.

There, destroyed.

Ok, shut up no0b. This is Fail. You haven't destroyed anyone, It's the internet. It's sickening to read your post.
Thanks for Ctrl+C what I just typed. Idiot....


Kyuubi and Sage mode aren't his. He wasn't born into a Kyuubi clan, nor a Sage Clan. There's a difference between having something and it being yours.
Naruto uses these power ups, because they come and go. It's not something he inherited. The power fades, and he's left as himself. He can use them, but it's not something passed down.
So if he was born into a Kyuubi clan or a Sage clan its ok for him to train gain the power then call it his? And then its not a power up? Listen to your own argument then vomit because its so damn stupid.

Second, Naruto's already made the Rasengan his.
Rasenshuriken not rasengan, maybe read one or two of the chapters in this manga called Naruto, come back and then have a discussion.

[Byasharinnegan]

This would be funny, except no one's agreeing with you.
How Ironic.

Its ironic that you dont understand the basic fundamentals of the english language and sentence structure, then proceed to insult me based on the fact you cant read...

"when they don't agree with you" Here, I'll make it clearer. In the context in which it was used, its means that when someone doesnt agree with him(Him being Triniprincess) he jumps all over them. Feel better?

[doger]

It's ironic that you dont understand the basic fundamentals of the English language and sentence structure, then, proceed to insult me, based on the fact you can't read...

Guess I just fixed your grammar for you. As you were saying?

"when they don't agree with you" Here, I'll make it clearer. In the context in which it was used, its means that when someone doesnt agree with him(Him being Triniprincess) he jumps all over them. Feel better?

Again, it's the internet. No one else is getting angry. Quit double posting.



Second, the idiot is you. The Rasengan Shuriken is already his. He made it his by creating it from the Rasengan. Therefore, he turned the Rasengan into his own technique.


Dude, you've been owned by everyone already. Just shut up, and GTFO.

[Trini Emperor]

You're quick to insult others and then whine because they aren't respectful to you in return.

Did you read what I said? Obviously not. You skim each post to pick and choose what to ***** about. Read what was said about Obito. Or keep on ignoring the fact, that it completely disproves your whole theory on the relativitey that Sharingan IS A POWER BOOST. And if you want to speak technically. Sure the Kyuubi is its own entity, but the same can be said for the Sharingan in the most technical of forms. Giving someones eyeball to another person? and it still retains all of the power from the previous owner? If anything it is its own entity, and therefore just resides in that of the Uchiha clan just as the Kyuubi resides within Naruto.

So all these "facts" that you seem to think prove everything you are saying are moot. If you think "chimpmonk" is so damn smart then elope. Its like you're up everyone elses ass when they don't agree with you. Get over yourself.

You seem like an individual that likes to think that he's smart. Well allow me to be a little more intelligent. I whine about ppl disrespecting me because they do disrespect me. If someone doesn't disrespect me, then I won't disrespect them. Your understanding of how the world revolves is lacking my friend. When someone disrespects me I disrespect them back. Is that not how it goes? Yes, sometimes I walk away, but it all depends on the approach towards me. Talking about me being quick to insult. I didn't even insult you, I told you, you were being hard headed. If you want to take that as an insult then you're a baby, grow up man.

I read what you said and therefore proved your theory wrong. Do you even realized what you said? You seem to have already forgotten what you said. You talk about the Sharingan being a power up. That was your whole point. I could careless what you said about Obito. Obito wasn't the topic, it was about the Sharingan being a power up, that I attacked in your post. And again, the Sharingan IS NOT A POWER UP. It is a bloodline Trait that the Uchiha uses to have an advantage over their enemies.

To call that a power up, it has to boost one's powers by a great deal. Again, explaining to you like you're a child, If the Uchiha who possesses the Sharingan isn't physically fit to compliment the attributes of the Sharingan, then using it is a waste. Notice that you stated no facts on your statement on it being a power up. Why dont you state it? And using Obito of all ppl, was a stupid reference. You're wrong and you know it. It's sickening when noobs try to justify their statements with no facts at all.

The Sharingan doesn't boost Genjutsu, it has Genjutsu techniques of it's own. How can you honestly call that a boost? Do you even understand what a boost is little child? We could go at this all day, I don't care. I will just keep proving you wrong.

Talking about fundamentals of ENGLISH, it seems you don't understand a great deal yourself, or else we won't be having this discussion. You're quick to tell others about how wrong they are and how stupid there theories and FACTS are, but you're not even following your own advice. Now who's being a hypocrite? If you have nothing more to say, I suggest you stop trying to justify a failing attempt.

What?????!!!! Dude, ask DOGER or Chipmonk or anyone here, when I know I'm wrong I take my wrong. You're just plain wrong, so that's why I jumped all over your lame ass post, because you're WRONG. WTF????!!! Just stop posting already, you're making yourself an idiot. If you know nothing about me and how I post then don't say anything. There were a few times that I've been proven wrong, even in my early stages in this forum, DOGER had proven me wrong a couple times. So plz, noob, stop posting. You're getting annoying now. I'm hardly proven wrong and you're not about to do that with your retarded post. I'm even sorry that I had to talk to you this way, because you're new here. But if you're new here, don't try to think that you're smarter than anybody else, if you have to prove your point, do it in an understanding way, so when someone, matter of fact, when everyone tells you that you're wrong, you will take your wrong and shut up. That's how the game goes buddy. And again, Chipmonk is way smarter than you, trust me. If it were him and I debating right now, I will be on the ropes at this moment trying to piece together as much facts as I could to prove my point. You're not even a challenge, just a waste of time.

[manofonetitle]

I'm really disappointed with some of the recent "Academy Student" posters. Coming in here and acting all hot shit to everybody thinking they're right when they're wrong. Pisses me off, because it makes other newcomers (like me) look bad.

I'm starting to get irritated with Nagato. He's saying that he has two sources of pain, and if you read the spoilers, it looks like he revealed his second form of pain (or just disclosing an event that led to it). Looking at his "sources of pain", it doesn't seem all that terrible to me. I mean, sure it's bad and really emotional, but going to the point of slaughtering all ninjas (including innocent men women and children) and destroying the ninja system just because THAT happened to you?....GAARA had a more disturbing past than that! Granted, he was an evil little bastard when he was first introduced, but at least he didn't go around killing innocent people.

Now I'm just rambling. But after reading the spoiler for the next episode...I doubt that his "second source of pain" is revealed in it, because it doesn't seem THAT terrible. If that IS his second source of pain....um....damn. Talk about over-emotional.

[Psycho Killer]

Don't know if anyone else noticed this but Pain and Sasuke and very similar.

They both had their parents killed they both had someone close to them die (sasuke:itachi), (Pain:Yahiko). Pain goes on and on about his "pain" and sasuke does the same thing but with his "hate" o_O. Both want revenge on konoha, they both have dojutsu. Just something I thought I would point out.

[yungartz]

In order for it to be that big of a deal, it has to be more than just Yahiko dying. It has to be how he died, and somone else has to've died during it..or somthing bigger than simply Yahiko dying at least. I mean, look at how Pain acts..it'd be rather stupid if he was like this over somthing as simple as parents and freind dying. Sure that can lead to a very sad individual, but it seems a little too anticlimactic to me..there has to be more to it than that. (Tho I could be wrong, and have a feeling I might be)

Sorry i guess i should speak more clearly but when i said yohikios death , I meant that and anything that could have lead up to that and be followed by it . Like the things you stated " it has to be more than just Yahiko dying. It has to be how he died, and somone else has to've died during it..or something bigger than simply Yahiko dying at least. " . i'll remember to try and speak more clearly when im talking to you

Think of the Sharingan and the Kyuubi like this, you consider the Kyuubi a powerup do you not? But you don't consider the Sharingan to be a powerup... The Sharingan is inside the Uchihas blood line when they are born. Yet many of them never unlock the Sharingans true power(Mangekyo). Now, Naruto was essentially born with the Kyuubi inside him, (No real differentiation from the Uchihas being born with a Sharingan lying dormant), now you say that the Sharingan isn't a powerup because they "earn" it or some bullshit, yet you say they only attain it through desperation... Ok, lets go with that, Naruto's Kyuubi isn't considered a powerup then by that logic and it is his to use he owns it. He was BORN with it, he only gets the powers through desperation usually, and he trains just as hard as any Uchiha. However he doesn't rely on that like Uchiha do, if they didnt have Sharingan sure they would be talented shinobi but, they wouldn't be shit compared to others like Hashirama Senju(1st Hokage) or Hanzo the Salamander. Now Naruto on the other hand, without the Kyuubis chakra or power was fighting on par with Pein. Can you say any Uchiha without his Sharingan could reach that level? No, so its OBVIOUSLY A DAMN POWERUP. Lawl dog lissen hurr ya hurd i toetully disproov ur poynt dawg i a wieght ur reply homie.

A lot of them don't unlock the true power magyekyo because they ether don't know how or they just don't feel like going as far as to kill their closest friend. their is a difference between naruto and the uchihas. you could say naruto was born with it but that's only because it was seald in him when he was first born. The uchiha had it in their blood the moment they started to form within their mothers stomach.

From my perspective naruto trains harder then the uchiha. When he trains with his shadow clones and you should already know this. He gains times the experience of each clone he uses but at the same time he gains the exhaustion of all the clones.

Naruto was fighting on par with pain because he had the advantege is how i see it. He did not have much reason to lose. He had information on pains battle moves ( Jutsu ) , the renningans conction in vision , the 5 second interval , and each bodys jutsu's. This is enough information to take down pain. He would have lost without it. Not to mention the help he got from minato , henata , pa frog and ma frog , gamabunta and the other toads.

and yes i do believe it is possible for the uchiha to obtain that power without the sharingan. my reason is the very names you stated. The 1st , Honzo and especially naruto are all living proof of that. You dont need a power up to become strong. Althogh the truth must come out. im not 100% disagreeing with all your acts because I believe that the sharingan is in fact not a power up to. but im just doing this for the sake of debation , keep the thread somewhat amusing. I remeber when threads on new chapters use to be like up to 40 - 50 pages now look at it

[RavenArchangel]

Yes because Obito was such a GRAND ninja right? Give me a break, before he activated the Sharingan he was a nothing. He wasnt fast, was terrible at just about all of his jutsu and just an all around failure. But what do you know? He activates it and takes out those other shinobi. Hmm Not a power boost huh? Give me a break...


Sage mode and Kyuubi mode is now the same thing? I guess there really is no arguing with you guys. You have it set in your head that anything he uses isnt his. Sage mode, nah not his someone else taught him it. Rasengan his? Nope, the 4th created it. Its sickening to read some of the ignorant posts on these boards. Yours especially. When you "try" and thats a big try, to add logic behind your opinion, you say something that completely contradicts all of your other points. Its like a know it all that knows nothing.

There, destroyed.

Obito wasn't a grand shinobi, this is true. However, did you not notice he was killed? Or maybe the fact that my point was that those who use it EFFECTIVELY would be good even without the Sharingan. MOST Uchiha are geniuses, not all. Hence why Obito was trying so hard, and why he actually was an ok Shinobi still as well. He was like Naruto in many ways and he had the additional pressure of being in a warrior clan known for being good on the battlefield. Here's some sources, just for you.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/398/18/
Thats the Warrior Clan of the Uchiha. Notice it also says "Well Versed in battle"..would that not mean they know how to fight pretty well? Or am I wrong?

Furthermore, Obito graduated from the Ninja Academy at the age of 9, and got promoted to Chunin at the age of 11. That must make him at least somwhat Competant. Sure, hes not like other Uchiha, but he was at least somwhat skilled. His Sharingan was due to being pushed over the edge in a life or death situation. It doesn't mean he had to be a genius to have it, however most Uchiha are. And in order to use it well, you have to be at least decent. Hence why Obito could pull it off, however, he's no Genuis, so he couldn't do it like most Uchiha who have it could. (Tho I must admit, it is strange that not that many Uchiha seemed to have it later on, tho maybe its just they chose not to use it or learn it for some)

As for my source for obito, I will show you and before you criticise it, notice it has sources. Look them up for yourself...or better yet, re-read Kakashi Gaiden or the Manga if you really don't believe me.

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Obito
Don't know if anyone else noticed this but Pain and Sasuke and very similar.

They both had their parents killed they both had someone close to them die (sasuke:itachi), (Pain:Yahiko). Pain goes on and on about his "pain" and sasuke does the same thing but with his "hate" o_O. Both want revenge on konoha, they both have dojutsu. Just something I thought I would point out.
I've noticed that. However, notice also their differences: Pain believes Hatred Breeds war, which is bad. Sasuke relies on Hatred for strength, as Itachi taught him.
I'm really disappointed with some of the recent "Academy Student" posters. Coming in here and acting all hot shit to everybody thinking they're right when they're wrong. Pisses me off, because it makes other newcomers (like me) look bad.

I'm starting to get irritated with Nagato. He's saying that he has two sources of pain, and if you read the spoilers, it looks like he revealed his second form of pain (or just disclosing an event that led to it). Looking at his "sources of pain", it doesn't seem all that terrible to me. I mean, sure it's bad and really emotional, but going to the point of slaughtering all ninjas (including innocent men women and children) and destroying the ninja system just because THAT happened to you?....GAARA had a more disturbing past than that! Granted, he was an evil little bastard when he was first introduced, but at least he didn't go around killing innocent people.

Now I'm just rambling. But after reading the spoiler for the next episode...I doubt that his "second source of pain" is revealed in it, because it doesn't seem THAT terrible. If that IS his second source of pain....um....damn. Talk about over-emotional.

That was my point in my post on the last page (last post). I think there has to be more to it than that, otherwise it'd be rather anti-climactic.
Sorry i guess i should speak more clearly but when i said yohikios death , I meant that and anything that could have lead up to that and be followed by it . Like the things you stated " it has to be more than just Yahiko dying. It has to be how he died, and somone else has to've died during it..or something bigger than simply Yahiko dying at least. " . i'll remember to try and speak more clearly when im talking to you


Careful dude. Please, you almost sounded rude, but I get your point. Yeah, I'm plenty smart, but I just don't always pick up the minor details. It is best your very clear and straightforward with me, as I don't always pick up stuff like that. Its one of my problems, part of one my disablities (And NO I don't use them as a crutch, hell I dont' like I have it and try to avoid it being a problem)

To go a lil Off Topic (and not aimed too specificly at any one person):I'm glad Trini stood up for me. Greatful to him. Some people don't see me as smart because I don't go into detail like I used to. I choose to leave that for Trini and the others because I have alot more on my mind recently and don't want to cause too much strain on my brain on talking about a manga/anime. Though others have seen how smart I can be before. I also tend to act childish and goofy, which also can give people the wrong impression...and I do have my lil flaws, as we all do. I am openly admitting to a bit of a temper problem, and that I can be forgetful from time to time about some things. Which doesn't help my appearance of how smart I am. >.<

[Trannyprincess]

Yes because Obito was such a GRAND ninja right? Give me a break, before he activated the Sharingan he was a nothing. He wasnt fast, was terrible at just about all of his jutsu and just an all around failure. But what do you know? He activates it and takes out those other shinobi. Hmm Not a power boost huh? Give me a break...


Sage mode and Kyuubi mode is now the same thing? I guess there really is no arguing with you guys. You have it set in your head that anything he uses isnt his. Sage mode, nah not his someone else taught him it. Rasengan his? Nope, the 4th created it. Its sickening to read some of the ignorant posts on these boards. Yours especially. When you "try" and thats a big try, to add logic behind your opinion, you say something that completely contradicts all of your other points. Its like a know it all that knows nothing.

There, destroyed.

I agre wit u homie u get +rep dog u destroi dat phaggit

[Byasharinnegan]

You seem like an individual that likes to think that he's smart. Well allow me to be a little more intelligent. I whine about ppl disrespecting me because they do disrespect me. If someone doesn't disrespect me, then I won't disrespect them. Your understanding of how the world revolves is lacking my friend. When someone disrespects me I disrespect them back. Is that not how it goes? Yes, sometimes I walk away, but it all depends on the approach towards me. Talking about me being quick to insult. I didn't even insult you, I told you, you were being hard headed. If you want to take that as an insult then you're a baby, grow up man.

I read what you said and therefore proved your theory wrong. Do you even realized what you said? You seem to have already forgotten what you said. You talk about the Sharingan being a power up. That was your whole point. I could careless what you said about Obito. Obito wasn't the topic, it was about the Sharingan being a power up, that I attacked in your post. And again, the Sharingan IS NOT A POWER UP. It is a bloodline Trait that the Uchiha uses to have an advantage over their enemies.

To call that a power up, it has to boost one's powers by a great deal. Again, explaining to you like you're a child, If the Uchiha who possesses the Sharingan isn't physically fit to compliment the attributes of the Sharingan, then using it is a waste. Notice that you stated no facts on your statement on it being a power up. Why dont you state it? And using Obito of all ppl, was a stupid reference. You're wrong and you know it. It's sickening when noobs try to justify their statements with no facts at all.

The Sharingan doesn't boost Genjutsu, it has Genjutsu techniques of it's own. How can you honestly call that a boost? Do you even understand what a boost is little child? We could go at this all day, I don't care. I will just keep proving you wrong.

Talking about fundamentals of ENGLISH, it seems you don't understand a great deal yourself, or else we won't be having this discussion. You're quick to tell others about how wrong they are and how stupid there theories and FACTS are, but you're not even following your own advice. Now who's being a hypocrite? If you have nothing more to say, I suggest you stop trying to justify a failing attempt.

What?????!!!! Dude, ask DOGER or Chipmonk or anyone here, when I know I'm wrong I take my wrong. You're just plain wrong, so that's why I jumped all over your lame ass post, because you're WRONG. WTF????!!! Just stop posting already, you're making yourself an idiot. If you know nothing about me and how I post then don't say anything. There were a few times that I've been proven wrong, even in my early stages in this forum, DOGER had proven me wrong a couple times. So plz, noob, stop posting. You're getting annoying now. I'm hardly proven wrong and you're not about to do that with your retarded post. I'm even sorry that I had to talk to you this way, because you're new here. But if you're new here, don't try to think that you're smarter than anybody else, if you have to prove your point, do it in an understanding way, so when someone, matter of fact, when everyone tells you that you're wrong, you will take your wrong and shut up. That's how the game goes buddy. And again, Chipmonk is way smarter than you, trust me. If it were him and I debating right now, I will be on the ropes at this moment trying to piece together as much facts as I could to prove my point. You're not even a challenge, just a waste of time.

Its like you don't listen to any sort of reason or know what it even means. If you and this other idiot, were the "smartest people on saiyan island" you think you would even be having this discussion? If you're that damn smart why not walk away if you KNOW beyond a doubt you're right? I'll tell you why, you're still trying to prove how awesome you are, an no one gives a shit. Read at least some of my post before you write another essay on why rain is wet.

As for the chipmonk, wtf? 1st. look at your damn picture, everyone should know you're dumb just by the picture(Not just because you look like someone backed up over your face repeatedly, but because you're dumb enough to use it as your avatar when you know you're a loser). 2nd I has a disability(Uhh what? you want sympathy or something? or just trying to make it even clearer that you're a dumbass) and 3rd If you're going to disprove my points actually read what they are instead of skimming over them and then smashing your face on the keyboard.

Its like this, say a baby is born and he has a mental disability, down syndrome(take triniprince for example). Now that he has been born with this would you say he has a disability? Yes, you would. Now say a baby is born and shortly there after he is dropped on his head (We'll use chipmonk for this example) and end up just as retarded as the first baby. Now would you say that he has a disability? Yes, you would. Now saying that the Sharingan and Kyuubi are any different has no ground to stand on. They're both abilities that were aquired at a young age, and since you cannot have one without the other, if the Kyuubi is a powerup then so is the Sharingan. If you say the Sharingan is not a powerup, then neither is the Kyuubi. Simple as that.

[Psycho Killer]

I've noticed that. However, notice also their differences: Pain believes Hatred Breeds war, which is bad. Sasuke relies on Hatred for strength, as Itachi taught him.

And Pain relies on his Pain for strength o_O if sasuke changes his name to hate I will kick myself in the face.

[RavenArchangel]

I agre wit u homie u get +rep dog u destroi dat phaggit
You realise how insulting you are for the account you made? -rep
Its like you don't listen to any sort of reason or know what it even means. If you and this other idiot, were the "smartest people on saiyan island" you think you would even be having this discussion? If you're that damn smart why not walk away if you KNOW beyond a doubt you're right? I'll tell you why, you're still trying to prove how awesome you are, an no one gives a shit. Read at least some of my post before you write another essay on why rain is wet.

As for the chipmonk, wtf? 1st. look at your damn picture, everyone should know you're dumb just by the picture(Not just because you look like someone backed up over your face repeatedly, but because you're dumb enough to use it as your avatar when you know you're a loser). 2nd I has a disability(Uhh what? you want sympathy or something? or just trying to make it even clearer that you're a dumbass) and 3rd If you're going to disprove my points actually read what they are instead of skimming over them and then smashing your face on the keyboard.

1st. That was mean, uncalled for and hurtful. Try to be more mature. If you're going to crticise somone at a forum, try to make it about what they are saying, and not insulting their apperance...(I So wish I could rip you're f***in face off right now and feed you your genitials faggot..I'm using all I can not to lose it on you right f***ing now)
2nd No, I'm just accepting my faults, you should try it somtime dumbass.
3rd. Yes because typing complete sentences is "smashing my face on the keyboard" and if what I said was wrong, then tell me how. You haven't said a word of how yet. Sounds like somones mad that they are being proven wrong to me. Funny avatar btw. Cuz Byakugan+Sharingan+Rinngan makes SO much sense -rolls eyes-

-rep
And Pain relies on his Pain for strength o_O if sasuke changes his name to hate I will kick myself in the face.
I'd like to see that :laugh: (you kick yourself in the face I mean)

[doger]

Its like you don't listen to any sort of reason or know what it even means. If you and this other idiot, were the "smartest people on saiyan island" you think you would even be having this discussion? If you're that damn smart why not walk away if you KNOW beyond a doubt you're right? I'll tell you why, you're still trying to prove how awesome you are, an no one gives a shit. Read at least some of my post before you write another essay on why rain is wet.

As for the chipmonk, wtf? 1st. look at your damn picture, everyone should know you're dumb just by the picture(Not just because you look like someone backed up over your face repeatedly, but because you're dumb enough to use it as your avatar when you know you're a loser). 2nd I has a disability(Uhh what? you want sympathy or something? or just trying to make it even clearer that you're a dumbass) and 3rd If you're going to disprove my points actually read what they are instead of skimming over them and then smashing your face on the keyboard.

We aren't listening to you, because you're stupid.
We've already smashed all of your posts.

Sharingan is not a powerup, because it's in your blood. It doesn't matter if it gets transplanted.

Have you seen Kakashi and Sasuke? Both were excellent ninja without the Sharingan. Both have still lost with Sharingan. Why? Because it's not a power up. It's just like we've been saying the whole time. The Sharingan only gives you a chance of having an advantage in battle.

As we've seen, Kakashi and Ssauke have lost battles, even with the Sharingan activated. The Sharingan wastes power, and they reach their limits even when they have the Sharingan activated. It doesn't bring them to some new level of power. The Sharingan doesn't make you stronger, it doesn't give you more chakra, it's not a power up. The Sharingan doesn't make you faster, stronger, smarter, etc. If your body couldn't do it before, the Sharingan can't help you. If you don't have the skills without your Sharingan, activating it doesn't give those skills to you. Lastly, The Sharingan eats up chakra, how the hell is that a powerup?

Now on the other hand:

Kyuubi- It's a powerup, because when Naruto runs out of his own chakra what happens? He can use the Kyuubi and suddenly he's not at his limit anymore! Hmm... that's what we call a powerup. When the enemy is at or nearing their limit, and Naruto comes at them with full chakra that's not his.
Why? Because the Kyuubi is powering him up. It happens everytime he uses the Kyuubi. The Kyuubi has unlimited Chakra, and whenever the other guy is at his limit Naruto won't be. That's a power up.

Second, he can use it when he's furious. When has the Sharingan given someone extra powers when they're angry? A power up gives you abilities you don't have. Naruto is not the Kyuubi, therefore using a power that's not his is a powerup. Naruto doesn't need skill to use the Kyuubi, nor can he can use the abilities the Kyuubi gives him, without going Kyuubi. It's a powerup.

Sage Mode- same thing. Naruto gets gets boosted strength, speed, and his body can take hits that would normally kill him. That's a power up. When it's gone, Naruto can't do any of that stuff in his regular mode.

Learn what a power up is, and please, GTFO.

[Akira Uchiha]

Man I love reading this forum, the expected always happens...
As for nagato's sources of Pain I don't know if the first one is finished (just a guess so don't fire anything at me). The reason I believe this is because the link that could exist with the Pain bodies; by two sources of Pain came jutsus of the rinnengan. If he first activated his rinnengan, he must show what type of jutsu he will use. Do you think it is where he showed control over gravity (cos when Jiraya taught them, the Cloud ninja seemed smashed and was bleeding.
Half of Pain bodies jutsus not only revolve around the withdrawal of souls or energy, but about physical strength as well (so 3+3 = 6). So I don't think he used the withdrawal abilities yet but rather a physical one, because the ninja was bleeding (but had white eye sockets - byakugan in cloud country???? I didn't think so either).
To me Nagato is completely brainwashed into his theory, that's what makes him cling on to life.

I really didn't notice the similarities between Sasuke and Pain = except the fact that they are both painful to listen to, so thumbs up for the pyschokiller and yungarts.
Shame byasharinnengan is offline i wanted to laugh a bit, but that was just a laughable level of aggressivity. Is this forum actually releasing testosterone?

[Black .D.]

We aren't listening to you, because you're stupid.
We've already smashed all of your posts.

Sharingan is not a powerup, because it's in your blood. It doesn't matter if it gets transplanted.

Have you seen Kakashi and Sasuke? Both were excellent ninja without the Sharingan. Both have still lost with Sharingan. Why? Because it's not a power up. It's just like we've been saying the whole time. The Sharingan only gives you a chance of having an advantage in battle.

As we've seen, Kakashi and Ssauke have lost battles, even with the Sharingan activated. The Sharingan wastes power, and they reach their limits even when they have the Sharingan activated. It doesn't bring them to some new level of power. The Sharingan doesn't make you stronger, it doesn't give you more chakra, it's not a power up. The Sharingan doesn't make you faster, stronger, smarter, etc. If your body couldn't do it before, the Sharingan can't help you. If you don't have the skills without your Sharingan, activating it doesn't give those skills to you. Lastly, The Sharingan eats up chakra, how the hell is that a powerup?

Now on the other hand:

Kyuubi- It's a powerup, because when Naruto runs out of his own chakra what happens? He can use the Kyuubi and suddenly he's not at his limit anymore! Hmm... that's what we call a powerup. When the enemy is at or nearing their limit, and Naruto comes at them with full chakra that's not his.
Why? Because the Kyuubi is powering him up. It happens everytime he uses the Kyuubi. The Kyuubi has unlimited Chakra, and whenever the other guy is at his limit Naruto won't be. That's a power up.

Second, he can use it when he's furious. When has the Sharingan given someone extra powers when they're angry? A power up gives you abilities you don't have. Naruto is not the Kyuubi, therefore using a power that's not his is a powerup. Naruto doesn't need skill to use the Kyuubi, nor can he can use the abilities the Kyuubi gives him, without going Kyuubi. It's a powerup.

Sage Mode- same thing. Naruto gets gets boosted strength, speed, and his body can take hits that would normally kill him. That's a power up. When it's gone, Naruto can't do any of that stuff in his regular mode.

Learn what a power up is, and please, GTFO.
This. :nod:

[doger]

Man I love reading this forum, the expected always happens...
As for nagato's sources of Pain I don't know if the first one is finished (just a guess so don't fire anything at me). The reason I believe this is because the link that could exist with the Pain bodies; by two sources of Pain came jutsus of the rinnengan. If he first activated his rinnengan, he must show what type of jutsu he will use. Do you think it is where he showed control over gravity (cos when Jiraya taught them, the Cloud ninja seemed smashed and was bleeding.
Half of Pain bodies jutsus not only revolve around the withdrawal of souls or energy, but about physical strength as well (so 3+3 = 6). So I don't think he used the withdrawal abilities yet but rather a physical one, because the ninja was bleeding (but had white eye sockets - byakugan in cloud country???? I didn't think so either).
To me Nagato is completely brainwashed into his theory, that's what makes him cling on to life.

I really didn't notice the similarities between Sasuke and Pain = except the fact that they are both painful to listen to, so thumbs up for the pyschokiller and yungarts.

Shame byasharinnengan is offline i wanted to laugh a bit, but that was just a laughable level of aggressivity. Is this forum actually releasing testosterone?


We weren't getting agressive, we just have low tolerance for idiots.

I do agree that Nagato is brainwashed. But it's not his fault. The kid just didn't know how to handle trauma. So it haunted him all of his life. Now that he has power, he wants to create a world that he never grew up in.

I feel a long Naruto monologue coming on, when Pain's done flashbacking.

[superb4]

Jeeze.....all this bickering is pointless. Where in the heck is the moderator/administrator?....does this place even have one?

[Trini Emperor]

Its like you don't listen to any sort of reason or know what it even means. If you and this other idiot, were the "smartest people on saiyan island" you think you would even be having this discussion? If you're that damn smart why not walk away if you KNOW beyond a doubt you're right? I'll tell you why, you're still trying to prove how awesome you are, an no one gives a shit. Read at least some of my post before you write another essay on why rain is wet.

As for the chipmonk, wtf? 1st. look at your damn picture, everyone should know you're dumb just by the picture(Not just because you look like someone backed up over your face repeatedly, but because you're dumb enough to use it as your avatar when you know you're a loser). 2nd I has a disability(Uhh what? you want sympathy or something? or just trying to make it even clearer that you're a dumbass) and 3rd If you're going to disprove my points actually read what they are instead of skimming over them and then smashing your face on the keyboard.

If you think you're fooling anybody you're not. How bout you stop making different accounts to agree with yaself, Charles Wenzel? Honestly, it's pitiful. You think I don't know it's you? You're the only one dumb enough to agree with yaself. And you're talking about me. Yes I am smart and always will be. I'm also awesome, thanks for pointing that out. Even an idiot like you can see my greatness. Anyway, you're a waste of space.

What is talking trash about how someone looks matter on a forum, especially in a manga discussion? Lolz, you're really retarded. It's almost sad that you this dumb. Anyway, go read a book or something man, get a life; Better yet, get some p u s s y, or maybe you are one? who knows? Go figure. :phttp://forums.saiyanisland.com/images/icons/icon13.gif

[doger]

If you think you're fooling anybody you're not. How bout you stop making different accounts to agree with yaself, Charles Wenzel? Honestly, it's pitiful. You think I don't know it's you? You're the only one dumb enough to agree with yaself. And you're talking about me. Yes I am smart and always will be. I'm also awesome, thanks for pointing that out. Even an idiot like you can see my greatness. Anyway, you're a waste of space.

What is talking trash about how someone looks matter on a forum, especially in a manga discussion? Lolz, you're really retarded. It's almost sad that you this dumb. Anyway, go read a book or something man, get a life; Better yet, get some p u s s y, or maybe you are one? who knows? Go figure. :phttp://forums.saiyanisland.com/images/icons/icon13.gif

The sad thing is he'll return to post more faggotry...

[RavenArchangel]

Man I love reading this forum, the expected always happens...
As for nagato's sources of Pain I don't know if the first one is finished (just a guess so don't fire anything at me). The reason I believe this is because the link that could exist with the Pain bodies; by two sources of Pain came jutsus of the rinnengan. If he first activated his rinnengan, he must show what type of jutsu he will use. Do you think it is where he showed control over gravity (cos when Jiraya taught them, the Cloud ninja seemed smashed and was bleeding.
Half of Pain bodies jutsus not only revolve around the withdrawal of souls or energy, but about physical strength as well (so 3+3 = 6). So I don't think he used the withdrawal abilities yet but rather a physical one, because the ninja was bleeding (but had white eye sockets - byakugan in cloud country???? I didn't think so either).
To me Nagato is completely brainwashed into his theory, that's what makes him cling on to life.

I really didn't notice the similarities between Sasuke and Pain = except the fact that they are both painful to listen to, so thumbs up for the pyschokiller and yungarts.
Shame byasharinnengan is offline i wanted to laugh a bit, but that was just a laughable level of aggressivity. Is this forum actually releasing testosterone?

What an astute observation my dear watson -wears monclue- (spell?)

If you think you're fooling anybody you're not. How bout you stop making different accounts to agree with yaself, Charles Wenzel? Honestly, it's pitiful. You think I don't know it's you? You're the only one dumb enough to agree with yaself. And you're talking about me. Yes I am smart and always will be. I'm also awesome, thanks for pointing that out. Even an idiot like you can see my greatness. Anyway, you're a waste of space.

What is talking trash about how someone looks matter on a forum, especially in a manga discussion? Lolz, you're really retarded. It's almost sad that you this dumb. Anyway, go read a book or something man, get a life; Better yet, get some p u s s y, or maybe you are one? who knows? Go figure. :phttp://forums.saiyanisland.com/images/icons/icon13.gif

This post is pure win +Rep and yes, its obviously him. (The Tranny Prince anyways, tho it makes sense that this other Byasharirina whatever is him too) Quite sad really. But I have to say, our responses have been at least a little entertaining to observe

[Senju]

If you think you're fooling anybody you're not. How bout you stop making different accounts to agree with yaself, Charles Wenzel? Honestly, it's pitiful. You think I don't know it's you? You're the only one dumb enough to agree with yaself. And you're talking about me. Yes I am smart and always will be. I'm also awesome, thanks for pointing that out. Even an idiot like you can see my greatness. Anyway, you're a waste of space.

What is talking trash about how someone looks matter on a forum, especially in a manga discussion? Lolz, you're really retarded. It's almost sad that you this dumb. Anyway, go read a book or something man, get a life; Better yet, get some p u s s y, or maybe you are one? who knows? Go figure. :phttp://forums.saiyanisland.com/images/icons/icon13.gif

You are a fool,aren't you?Last I checked this was a place to discuss NARUTO MANGA not how awesome and great and smart you are.You're ruining everything here.Have you noticed that the last page all you people have been doing is fighting about who's smarter?And you know what?In most of your arguments with someone you say how smart you are but if a guy was as smart as you say you are,he woulldn't be pointing it out that nuch and insulting people for no reason all the time.You just think you're smart but you're not and you had better realize it.

[RavenArchangel]

You are a fool,aren't you?Last I checked this was a place to discuss NARUTO MANGA not how awesome and great and smart you are.You're ruining everything here.Have you noticed that the last page all you people have been doing is fighting about who's smarter?And you know what?In most of your arguments with someone you say how smart you are but if a guy was as smart as you say you are,he woulldn't be pointing it out that nuch and insulting people for no reason all the time.You just think you're smart but you're not and you had better realize it.
I think he did it because of how dumb the other person was. Yes, this site isn't all about smarts, its about talking about Naruto. I couldn't agree more, and this argument is getting old. The problem is, users like Charles/Byakusharinrin whatever/TrannyPrincesss (He's all three) are messing up our forums with stupid/insulting/rude posts and I think we're just getting rather fed up with it..arent you? Triniprinces point was likely because he's fed up and while yes, I think his last post about how smart he is was a little preachy, I don't blame him for reacting that way.

[Trannyprincess]

You realise how insulting you are for the account you made? -rep


1st. That was mean, uncalled for and hurtful. Try to be more mature. If you're going to crticise somone at a forum, try to make it about what they are saying, and not insulting their apperance...(I So wish I could rip you're f***in face off right now and feed you your genitials faggot..I'm using all I can not to lose it on you right f***ing now)
2nd No, I'm just accepting my faults, you should try it somtime dumbass.
3rd. Yes because typing complete sentences is "smashing my face on the keyboard" and if what I said was wrong, then tell me how. You haven't said a word of how yet. Sounds like somones mad that they are being proven wrong to me. Funny avatar btw. Cuz Byakugan+Sharingan+Rinngan makes SO much sense -rolls eyes-

-rep

I'd like to see that :laugh: (you kick yourself in the face I mean)

Didn't read homie, yo spellin is as whack as yo face dog covur dat shit up homie u stankin - rep

[Trannyprincess]

We aren't listening to you, because you're stupid.
We've already smashed all of your posts.

Sharingan is not a powerup, because it's in your blood. It doesn't matter if it gets transplanted.

Have you seen Kakashi and Sasuke? Both were excellent ninja without the Sharingan. Both have still lost with Sharingan. Why? Because it's not a power up. It's just like we've been saying the whole time. The Sharingan only gives you a chance of having an advantage in battle.

homie u whack dog sasuke wooda ben kilt vs haku if he dint unlock da sharinganz n kakashi wulda been dead in kakashi gaidin if he dint get obitos sharinganz aftur obitio died homie so u get - rep son sorry bro i look 4ward 2 ur response

As we've seen, Kakashi and Ssauke have lost battles, even with the Sharingan activated. The Sharingan wastes power, and they reach their limits even when they have the Sharingan activated. It doesn't bring them to some new level of power. The Sharingan doesn't make you stronger, it doesn't give you more chakra, it's not a power up. The Sharingan doesn't make you faster, stronger, smarter, etc. If your body couldn't do it before, the Sharingan can't help you. If you don't have the skills without your Sharingan, activating it doesn't give those skills to you. Lastly, The Sharingan eats up chakra, how the hell is that a powerup?

sharingans like aimbot in counter strike homie, is off da hook yo

Now on the other hand:

Kyuubi- It's a powerup, because when Naruto runs out of his own chakra what happens? He can use the Kyuubi and suddenly he's not at his limit anymore! Hmm... that's what we call a powerup. When the enemy is at or nearing their limit, and Naruto comes at them with full chakra that's not his.
Why? Because the Kyuubi is powering him up. It happens everytime he uses the Kyuubi. The Kyuubi has unlimited Chakra, and whenever the other guy is at his limit Naruto won't be. That's a power up.


Second, he can use it when he's furious. When has the Sharingan given someone extra powers when they're angry? A power up gives you abilities you don't have. Naruto is not the Kyuubi, therefore using a power that's not his is a powerup. Naruto doesn't need skill to use the Kyuubi, nor can he can use the abilities the Kyuubi gives him, without going Kyuubi. It's a powerup.

Sage Mode- same thing. Naruto gets gets boosted strength, speed, and his body can take hits that would normally kill him. That's a power up. When it's gone, Naruto can't do any of that stuff in his regular mode.

Learn what a power up is, and please, GTFO.

homie look above dog

[Trannyprincess]

[QUOTE=Triniprince1;521946]If you think you're fooling anybody you're not. How bout you stop making different accounts to agree with yaself, Charles Wenzel? Honestly, it's pitiful. You think I don't know it's you? You're the only one dumb enough to agree with yaself. And you're talking about me. Yes I am smart and always will be. I'm also awesome, thanks for pointing that out. Even an idiot like you can see my greatness. Anyway, you're a waste of space.

What is talking trash about how someone looks matter on a forum, especially in a manga discussion? Lolz, you're really retarded. It's almost sad that you this dumb. Anyway, go read a book or something man, get a life; Better yet, get some p u s s y, or maybe you are one? who knows? Go figure. :p

sory homie i dont c how dis relates 2 da naruto manga dog i feel ya home dog but u get neg rep dis time bro sorry dog

[Trannyprincess]

You are a fool,aren't you?Last I checked this was a place to discuss NARUTO MANGA not how awesome and great and smart you are.You're ruining everything here.Have you noticed that the last page all you people have been doing is fighting about who's smarter?And you know what?In most of your arguments with someone you say how smart you are but if a guy was as smart as you say you are,he woulldn't be pointing it out that nuch and insulting people for no reason all the time.You just think you're smart but you're not and you had better realize it.

U r rite homie + rep

[Sato]

Think of the Sharingan and the Kyuubi like this, you consider the Kyuubi a powerup do you not? But you don't consider the Sharingan to be a powerup... The Sharingan is inside the Uchihas blood line when they are born. Yet many of them never unlock the Sharingans true power(Mangekyo). Now, Naruto was essentially born with the Kyuubi inside him, (No real differentiation from the Uchihas being born with a Sharingan lying dormant), now you say that the Sharingan isn't a powerup because they "earn" it or some bullshit, yet you say they only attain it through desperation... Ok, lets go with that, Naruto's Kyuubi isn't considered a powerup then by that logic and it is his to use he owns it. He was BORN with it, he only gets the powers through desperation usually, and he trains just as hard as any Uchiha. However he doesn't rely on that like Uchiha do, if they didnt have Sharingan sure they would be talented shinobi but, they wouldn't be shit compared to others like Hashirama Senju(1st Hokage) or Hanzo the Salamander. Now Naruto on the other hand, without the Kyuubis chakra or power was fighting on par with Pein. Can you say any Uchiha without his Sharingan could reach that level? No, so its OBVIOUSLY A DAMN POWERUP. Lawl dog lissen hurr ya hurd i toetully disproov ur poynt dawg i a wieght ur reply homie.

Seeing as everything else in this post was destroyed, let me get at the Kyuubi being in Naruto from birth. You do realize that it was put in Naruto AFTER the birthing process right? On the other hand, the Sharingan is in an Uchiha even before the birthing process. So, there for, the Kyuubi actually is a power up and the Sharingan isn't.

Yes because Obito was such a GRAND ninja right? Give me a break, before he activated the Sharingan he was a nothing. He wasnt fast, was terrible at just about all of his jutsu and just an all around failure. But what do you know? He activates it and takes out those other shinobi. Hmm Not a power boost huh? Give me a break...


Sage mode and Kyuubi mode is now the same thing? I guess there really is no arguing with you guys. You have it set in your head that anything he uses isnt his. Sage mode, nah not his someone else taught him it. Rasengan his? Nope, the 4th created it. Its sickening to read some of the ignorant posts on these boards. Yours especially. When you "try" and thats a big try, to add logic behind your opinion, you say something that completely contradicts all of your other points. Its like a know it all that knows nothing.

There, destroyed.

Actually, at the time that Obito died, he was a chuunin. So, in actuality, that means that he is a pretty good ninja. Everything else, I don't have to say anything about seeing as its been destroyed already.

Wrong. In order to be a good user of the sharingan, they have to be able to build up. If they suddenly lost their sharingan for example (and lets pretend they didn't have the jutsus they copied either) heres what would be left:

One or two jutsu they made themselves.
Extremely good Taijutsu or a very fast movement ablities (becauset they have to build that up on their own..a Sharingan tellst hem HOW to do things, but they have to move their body to do so on their own, the eyes don't do it for them)
and thats about it.

So yes, they wouldn't be as good, HOWEVER, they'd be at least fast, skilled in Taijutsu in some form, and have a jutsu or two (likely more)

furthermore, even with it, each part of it has a drawback..I really don't see them b eing crappy shinobi without them. Yeah, I dare you to say Itachi was a poor Shinobi if he didn't have the sharingan..but you know what, I'm tired and I figure somone els can do this for me. So I will. If I think of more to add I will later.
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BTW: Naruto without Kyuubi mode? Well I presume then you also mean without Sage Mode as well, since its basically the same thing.

In that case, Naruto has one really strong attack, a few decent ones, and other than that..actually he isn't nearly as good as an Uchiha without a sharingan is. Hell, its a wonder he's still alive.

He's a great guy but I mean come on, his Taijutsu is amateruish at best. He has no Genjutsu. The typical Uchiha does, even without a Sharingan. Other than RS, all his other attacks aren't that good (and are all based on the Rasengan) His RS has too many drawbacks anyways, so he can't use it. (Unless in Sage mode which we aren't counting since you said no Kyuubi mode and they're almost the same thing) he barely taps into his elemental ablities (aside from RS and things like it) and while yes, hes begining to get smarter, he is by no means as smart as the average Uchiha is. He's no genius. Thats just not who Naruto is. So really, you're defense was rather lame. Next time THINK before you try to destroy somones post. K?

Hahaha. Tis one made me laugh. I say we just leave him. This is getting pointless.

[RJSHU]

This argument is ridicules, as it was stated earlier a power up is something that increases your strength, durability, speed and or chakra level. The sharingan is a weapon more so than a power up like a "shrunken" (as stated in the manga by Zetsu when he compared Sasuke's sharingan to Itatchi's). The sharingan does make you a better fighter kind of like one person fighting with a sword and the other fighter fighting bare handed (In the real world not the Naruto Universe).

Back to Naruto After the flashback of Pain's history what do people think will happen. The way Konan keeps telling Nagato to end it, I think he has something still up his sleeve. I think Nagato will wait until Naruto gives his answer to decide his next move. I think that Naruto's answer will change Nagato kind of like Gaara but I don't see Nagato living for very long though. I would like to hear what other people think will happen after the flashbacks are over. (This is also one of the few times I am looking forward to a flashback)

[doger]

homie look above dog

You just made my point with Sasuke almost dying even with the Sharingan.
You are incredibly stupid.

Just Go

[Trini Emperor]

You are a fool,aren't you?Last I checked this was a place to discuss NARUTO MANGA not how awesome and great and smart you are.You're ruining everything here.Have you noticed that the last page all you people have been doing is fighting about who's smarter?And you know what?In most of your arguments with someone you say how smart you are but if a guy was as smart as you say you are,he woulldn't be pointing it out that nuch and insulting people for no reason all the time.You just think you're smart but you're not and you had better realize it.

Wow, another idiot joins the chaos. First of all, that was just me being sarcastic. I do consider myself smart, but not the point where I'm trying to address myself as the smartest in the whole forum. If you were smart, you would realize that I was being sarcastic to an idiot who does nothing but try to get ppl angry for the fun of it. And who are you anyways? I never seen you around here. I suggest you dispense with the name calling before I put you down too. Do you realize you're the only idiot to join the asshole noob who's been posting nonsense? Are you his Boyfriend or what homie? Get a ****in life d i c k head. Do us smart ppl a favor and keep your ass shut. And how was I insulting him for no reason? If you go back you'll see that I was the first to tell him to chill with the name calling. But he addressed his attention to me and disrespected me. What am I suppose to do? Role over and take his bullshit? Man **** you.

As a matter of fact, Somebody tell me how to delete an account, because I'm fed up of this website. I'm done man.

Guys, I'm officially done with S.I. this is getting way too childish. I already contacted A mod to delete my account. I cannot stand the immaturity.

[Chris~sama]

God,i'm not sure where to begin. First off,Trannyprince or w/e....your name and sig title is totally disrespectful to transexuals,bisexuals,and homosexuals. Even though some of Si is homophobic...atleast they don't voice there "feelings" about it unless there's a topic about it. You on the other hand,is what I like to refer to as an "e-ballering hate monger". If you don't know what that means..i'll explain. It means you insult other members for no reason because there intelligence far exceeds yours,and the only way you feel you can get back at them over the internet for crushing your ideas is to post hurtful things regarding distinct minorities.

You talk sh*t over the internet,thinking that your gangster,your tough you can shoot half of the people on the website if u ever met them in person ect. Yet,you don't seem to comprehend the abundance of stupidity that you type. Grammar aside...i'm not a saint when it comes to the english language,but atleast I don't butcher it beyond comprehension as you enjoy doing, Maybe because you think your cool?


Now that i've got that out of my system....I'll say this...byakasharrinegan or w/e..you have some nerve calling another man ugly or w/e. Assuming you are a man,why are you looking at him that way? trying to hide your own sexuality perhaps?

Or maybe your face resembles a battered hooker who could'nt pay her John. So you hide behind that fake mock up of a picture in your avatar..which btw fails. If Kishi ever took your idea seriously for that doujutsu,I would burn anything I have naruto related in my house. How does it feel to be singled out?

Senju,before you say someone's not as intelligent or w/e...please do look at yourself first. Everyone has potential to have the intelligence of a genius. Everyone has there own views of life and how they look at themselves...your no different. There is a difference in how you act towards other people as-well that determines your intelligence. And degrading someone else's "smarts" is fail,unless there's good reason...not just to argue or think your opinion over-rules everyone else's.

Rant over.


Back on topic...I can't emphasize on anything else.Everyone has beat me to the punch where the topic is concerned.

Personally,I think Nagato's second source of Pain does come from Yahiko....and I think its both the way Yahiko died,and why he died.

[Demonic Heart]

This argument is ridicules, as it was stated earlier a power up is something that increases your strength, durability, speed and or chakra level. The sharingan is a weapon more so than a power up like a "shrunken" (as stated in the manga by Zetsu when he compared Sasuke's sharingan to Itatchi's). The sharingan does make you a better fighter kind of like one person fighting with a sword and the other fighter fighting bare handed (In the real world not the Naruto Universe).

Back to Naruto After the flashback of Pain's history what do people think will happen. The way Konan keeps telling Nagato to end it, I think he has something still up his sleeve. I think Nagato will wait until Naruto gives his answer to decide his next move. I think that Naruto's answer will change Nagato kind of like Gaara but I don't see Nagato living for very long though. I would like to hear what other people think will happen after the flashbacks are over. (This is also one of the few times I am looking forward to a flashback)

The fact that nageto is telling naruto his life story , must mean he thinks naruto has come far enough to deserve to hear about nageto's past and his two great sources of pain. I think is trying to find an answer so bad to bring peace that in actuality he dose not believe in his own answer 100%. His answer is probably the best thing he has come up with so he sticks to it. I mean he basically ignored konan to hear what naruto had to say. Other then that , the only 2 other reasons i can think of is he is just curious or he wants to hear it because naruto is one of J mans students.

Wow, another idiot joins the chaos. First of all, that was just me being sarcastic. I do consider myself smart, but not the point where I'm trying to address myself as the smartest in the whole forum. If you were smart, you would realize that I was being sarcastic to an idiot who does nothing but try to get ppl angry for the fun of it. And who are you anyways? I never seen you around here. I suggest you dispense with the name calling before I put you down too. Do you realize you're the only idiot to join the asshole noob who's been posting nonsense? Are you his Boyfriend or what homie? Get a ****in life d i c k head. Do us smart ppl a favor and keep your ass shut. And how was I insulting him for no reason? If you go back you'll see that I was the first to tell him to chill with the name calling. But he addressed his attention to me and disrespected me. What am I suppose to do? Role over and take his bullshit? Man **** you.

As a matter of fact, Somebody tell me how to delete an account, because I'm fed up of this website. I'm done man.

Guys, I'm officially done with S.I. this is getting way too childish. I already contacted A mod to delete my account. I cannot stand the immaturity.

This is young artz

Is everyone ****ing serious. Did things get so childish and out of hand that T.P is leaving man. This is just ridicules. If this is over that chrless whezzle fagot i thought that he has already been destroyed in a number of debates. Why must this continue. T.P is one of the smartest on the form. Think how the form will become without him. it just wont be as interesting as it always was. The pages on this thread has dwindled enough already.

and T.P. I know your frustrated but is that a reason to leave the site. I mean honestly just ignore the people you think are making no sense if you cant handle the amount of immaturity.


God,i'm not sure where to begin. First off,Trannyprince or w/e....your name and sig title is totally disrespectful to transexuals,bisexuals,and homosexuals. Even though some of Si is homophobic...atleast they don't voice there "feelings" about it unless there's a topic about it. You on the other hand,is what I like to refer to as an "e-ballering hate monger". If you don't know what that means..i'll explain. It means you insult other members for no reason because there intelligence far exceeds yours,and the only way you feel you can get back at them over the internet for crushing your ideas is to post hurtful things regarding distinct minorities.

You talk sh*t over the internet,thinking that your gangster,your tough you can shoot half of the people on the website if u ever met them in person ect. Yet,you don't seem to comprehend the abundance of stupidity that you type. Grammar aside...i'm not a saint when it comes to the english language,but atleast I don't butcher it beyond comprehension as you enjoy doing, Maybe because you think your cool?


Now that i've got that out of my system....I'll say this...byakasharrinegan or w/e..you have some nerve calling another man ugly or w/e. Assuming you are a man,why are you looking at him that way? trying to hide your own sexuality perhaps?

Or maybe your face resembles a battered hooker who could'nt pay her John. So you hide behind that fake mock up of a picture in your avatar..which btw fails. If Kishi ever took your idea seriously for that doujutsu,I would burn anything I have naruto related in my house. How does it feel to be singled out?

Senju,before you say someone's not as intelligent or w/e...please do look at yourself first. Everyone has potential to have the intelligence of a genius. Everyone has there own views of life and how they look at themselves...your no different. There is a difference in how you act towards other people as-well that determines your intelligence. And degrading someone else's "smarts" is fail,unless there's good reason...not just to argue or think your opinion over-rules everyone else's.

Rant over.


Back on topic...I can't emphasize on anything else.Everyone has beat me to the punch where the topic is concerned.

Personally,I think Nagato's second source of Pain does come from Yahiko....and I think its both the way Yahiko died,and why he died.

Yo Chris this is yungartz

You put it harsh but your absolutely right. Everyone is acting like a ****ing child right now , and this must feel shitty because this is coming from a 15 year old tellin the truth like come on. whats rely good. Why is everyone acting stupid right now.

I said the same to doger i think hes second source is yohikio to but their must be al ot more that was followed after yohikios death rather then just him dying.

[RavenArchangel]

I'm getting rather tired of this too, I might be leaving as well. Not my final decsion yet. But don't be surprised if it ends up as so.


EDIT: Ravens Intrests Cove will at some point switch to Vbulletin format. When it does, I implore some of you to join us, and leave these imbeciles behind.

[Sato]

I'm getting rather tired of this too, I might be leaving as well. Not my final decsion yet. But don't be surprised if it ends up as so.

Seriously? Wow, then this sucks. Seems i'll have to be on here more often in order to keep the posting quality up. Seriously, you an Trini shouldn't leave.

To Yungartz: Why are you using a different account?

[Demonic Heart]

God,i'm not sure where to begin. First off,Trannyprince or w/e....your name and sig title is totally disrespectful to transexuals,bisexuals,and homosexuals. Even though some of Si is homophobic...atleast they don't voice there "feelings" about it unless there's a topic about it. You on the other hand,is what I like to refer to as an "e-ballering hate monger". If you don't know what that means..i'll explain. It means you insult other members for no reason because there intelligence far exceeds yours,and the only way you feel you can get back at them over the internet for crushing your ideas is to post hurtful things regarding distinct minorities.

You talk sh*t over the internet,thinking that your gangster,your tough you can shoot half of the people on the website if u ever met them in person ect. Yet,you don't seem to comprehend the abundance of stupidity that you type. Grammar aside...i'm not a saint when it comes to the english language,but atleast I don't butcher it beyond comprehension as you enjoy doing, Maybe because you think your cool?


Now that i've got that out of my system....I'll say this...byakasharrinegan or w/e..you have some nerve calling another man ugly or w/e. Assuming you are a man,why are you looking at him that way? trying to hide your own sexuality perhaps?

Or maybe your face resembles a battered hooker who could'nt pay her John. So you hide behind that fake mock up of a picture in your avatar..which btw fails. If Kishi ever took your idea seriously for that doujutsu,I would burn anything I have naruto related in my house. How does it feel to be singled out?

Senju,before you say someone's not as intelligent or w/e...please do look at yourself first. Everyone has potential to have the intelligence of a genius. Everyone has there own views of life and how they look at themselves...your no different. There is a difference in how you act towards other people as-well that determines your intelligence. And degrading someone else's "smarts" is fail,unless there's good reason...not just to argue or think your opinion over-rules everyone else's.

Rant over.


Back on topic...I can't emphasize on anything else.Everyone has beat me to the punch where the topic is concerned.

Personally,I think Nagato's second source of Pain does come from Yahiko....and I think its both the way Yahiko died,and why he died.

Seriously? Wow, then this sucks. Seems i'll have to be on here more often in order to keep the posting quality up. Seriously, you an Trini shouldn't leave.

To Yungartz: Why are you using a different account?


I wanted a fresh start but whats the point of one if chip and trini leave like whats the deal man this is ridicules.

[RJSHU]

The fact that nageto is telling naruto his life story , must mean he thinks naruto has come far enough to deserve to hear about nageto's past and his two great sources of pain. I think is trying to find an answer so bad to bring peace that in actuality he dose not believe in his own answer 100%. His answer is probably the best thing he has come up with so he sticks to it. I mean he basically ignored konan to hear what naruto had to say. Other then that , the only 2 other reasons i can think of is he is just curious or he wants to hear it because naruto is one of J mans students.



This is young artz

Is everyone ****ing serious. Did things get so childish and out of hand that T.P is leaving man. This is just ridicules. If this is over that chrless whezzle fagot i thought that he has already been destroyed in a number of debates. Why must this continue. T.P is one of the smartest on the form. Think how the form will become without him. it just wont be as interesting as it always was. The pages on this thread has dwindled enough already.

and T.P. I know your frustrated but is that a reason to leave the site. I mean honestly just ignore the people you think are making no sense if you cant handle the amount of immaturity.




Yo Chris this is yungartz

You put it harsh but your absolutely right. Everyone is acting like a ****ing child right now , and this must feel shitty because this is coming from a 15 year old tellin the truth like come on. whats rely good. Why is everyone acting stupid right now.

I said the same to doger i think hes second source is yohikio to but their must be al ot more that was followed after yohikios death rather then just him dying.

Good theory with Nagato motives in listening to Naruto's answer + rep

[RavenArchangel]

You just made my point with Sasuke almost dying even with the Sharingan.
You are incredibly stupid.

Just Go
Whats also lame is this idea of mixing the sharingan+Byakugan+Rinnegan...it just makes no sense.
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Seriously? Wow, then this sucks. Seems i'll have to be on here more often in order to keep the posting quality up. Seriously, you an Trini shouldn't leave.

To Yungartz: Why are you using a different account?

I wanted a fresh start but whats the point of one if chip and trini leave like whats the deal man this is ridicules.
We're really getting tired of the bs thats going on around here. Anyone else notice that less of the smart people of old even post in the discussion thread at all anymore? Maybe there is a reason for that.
Like I said, me and Trini have a site and at some point we're going to switch its location to somwhere else and give it a Vbulletin layout for its forums (same layout thing as this site and the Acting Alliance, among other sites) you're welcome to join. Just think of it this way: If we get enough users (but probably not until we do), I'm pretty sure both of you will become mods. (Ironicly its only you two so far that I've considered adding after the initial mods and more users are both acheieved)
Look at the list of Mods and tell me if it doesn't sound like it could be good.
Administarator: RavenArchangel (me)
Second in command/mod: Trinimod (you know who)
Then the other mods include: Delaz, Rokubi, Kaimei..notice a pattern here?
Or to put it in other words (while making a joke at SI's expense):
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but in order to not look ilke a lame advertisement I'll get back on topic (and also to avoid banning, not that it matters as I'm thinkin while yes, I'm still staying probably, I'll rarely come here after my site gets off the ground..because this bs is old)

Pain probably had more than just Yahiko leading to his Pain..otherwise, as somone pointed out..hell GAARA has more motivation than he does.

[Demonic Heart]

Good theory with Nagato motives in listening to Naruto's answer + rep

like wise +Rep , im adding you
What do you think the jutsu is that minato would have wanted naruto to supposedly complete

Whats also lame is this idea of mixing the sharingan+Byakugan+Rinnegan...it just makes no sense.
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We're really getting tired of the bs thats going on around here. Anyone else notice that less of the smart people of old even post in the discussion thread at all anymore? Maybe there is a reason for that.
Like I said, me and Trini have a site and at some point we're going to switch its location to somwhere else and give it a Vbulletin layout for its forums (same layout thing as this site and the Acting Alliance, among other sites) you're welcome to join. Just think of it this way: If we get enough users (but probably not until we do), I'm pretty sure both of you will become mods. (Ironicly its only you two so far that I've considered adding after the initial mods and more users are both acheieved)
Look at the list of Mods and tell me if it doesn't sound like it could be good.
Administarator: RavenArchangel (me)
Second in command/mod: Trinimod (you know who)
Then the other users include: Delaz, Rokubi, Kaimei..notice a pattern here?
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but in order to not look ilke a lame advertisement I'll get back on topic (and also to avoid banning, not that it matters)

Pain probably had more than just Yahiko leading to his Pain..otherwise, as somone pointed out..hell GAARA has more motivation than he does.


iight well trust me when i say ill be glad to join man because a form is not a form without you and T.P. You and him were one of the very reasons why i stayed when others left

[RavenArchangel]

like wise +Rep , im adding you
What do you think the jutsu is that minato would have wanted naruto to supposedly complete




iight well trust me when i say ill be glad to join man because a form is not a form without you and T.P. You and him were one of the very reasons why i stayed when others left
Both he and I have enough stress in real life as it is to be dealing with this bullshit. Its getting really old and if we have our own site, we can run it however we like and we don't have to deal with this stuff anymore. I'll probably in the end stay here, just to pop in now and then in the spam center and maybe copy and paste what I've said at my site (so that I appear active enough to keep my account and be able to look at my old stuff until I'm able to eventually move it all over to the new one) Tho I'll probably be active for real until we get the new location, layout , etc for my site. (Not sure how long it'll take, but I doubt that long) Then I'll probably only pop in now and then to this site.

in any case, anyone got anything to say about the chapter?

[Demonic Heart]

Both he and I have enough stress in real life as it is to be dealing with this bullshit. Its getting really old and if we have our own site, we can run it however we like and we don't have to deal with this stuff anymore. I'll probably in the end stay here, just to pop in now and then in the spam center and maybe copy and paste what I've said at my site (so that I appear active enough to keep my account and be able to look at my old stuff until I'm able to eventually move it all over to the new one) Tho I'll probably be active for real until we get the new location, layout , etc for my site. (Not sure how long it'll take, but I doubt that long) Then I'll probably only pop in now and then to this site.

in any case, anyone got anything to say about the chapter?

Tell me about it. Creating an anime from scratch is something else man. Dont mean to brag but im the Best anime sketcher in my school but yet i feel as if it still needs so much improvement. lol Speaking of art.......ama practice

Personally im just eager as hell right now knowing that the next chapter should be out tomorrow. I have not read the spoilers but I heard they were about yohikios death. I hope it is interesting and has a bit of story behind it or something.

[RavenArchangel]

Tell me about it. Creating an anime from scratch is something else man. Dont mean to brag but im the Best anime sketcher in my school but yet i feel as if it still needs so much improvement. lol Speaking of art.......ama practice

Personally im just eager as hell right now knowing that the next chapter should be out tomorrow. I have not read the spoilers but I heard they were about yohikios death. I hope it is interesting and has a bit of story behind it or something.


Well pesronally I just really hope the chapters improve because recently they've been rather dissapointing and at times dull..seriously its getting old @_@ thats probably another reason there's less posts here in general.
I look forward to the next chapter too, though I hope this Pain arc ends soon..its reallllyyyyy old now.

[Demonic Heart]

Well pesronally I just really hope the chapters improve because recently they've been rather dissapointing and at times dull..seriously its getting old @_@ thats probably another reason there's less posts here in general.
I look forward to the next chapter too, though I hope this Pain arc ends soon..its reallllyyyyy old now.

\I know what you mean but the more i think about it , I come to a decision that a big reason as to why its old is because we are reading it rather hearing it everything , seeing everything in motion , I don't know about you but i like when i can hear naruto's expression rather then having to imagine him in motion and saying these things.

I see this arc ending in 5 chapters max 3 the least. I dont find them disappointing but i guess its just because i love naruto so much. Some believe bleach is better but im just an ultimate fan of naruto , its one of the reasons i draw. I find it inspiring. I must sound like im blined by my love for this series.

[manofonetitle]

.....you know what? Screw this. I'm done looking at the chapter discussion threads. This is ****ing ridiculous. Too many idiots starting flame wars and getting away with it, I wish there were more moderators here to ban people like that.

New chapter is out. See it here (http://forums.saiyanisland.com/showthread.php?t=12590).