Bugging me,

[Josh-sama]

Something that's bugged me is that Goku went through SSJ, SSJ2, SSJ3, to SSJ4. Vegeta didn't achieve 3 but was able to get to 4? He should've hit 3 before 4, machine or not.

[Mr. Solo]

Well
I don't think Vegeta has the skill to make his ki excel that high.
Besides he can only hit Ssj2 without any assistance so I'm guessing thats his limit.
Unless he has it but just doesn't use it

[erosenin]

Something that's bugged me is that Goku went through SSJ, SSJ2, SSJ3, to SSJ4. Vegeta didn't achieve 3 but was able to get to 4? He should've hit 3 before 4, machine or not.

I see what you mean, and I would agree, that is how it should have been. Simply because he skipped a whole level of power, but I understand the reasoning behind him not doing this.

1. The original transformation increased their power exponentially , but Vegeta was the only one that could control its power in this state, because he had more familiarity with the technique.

2. The transformation to supersaiyan4 happened after one had the power of a ssj, and transformed into an ape. So i'm guessing the transformation just heightned the power of the super saiyan powers of the normal state the same as it would have for the normal power they first exhibited.

3. Then to unlock and combine the two powers, you went golden ape, but once you knew how to control the power, you could transform yet again, into a state similar to your original body. The power became condensed, after changing into the smaller form, and their power became even stronger. Thus the super saiyan 4.

[Mr. Solo]

Wrong Theory, but it was a good one
we're talking about why Vegeta missed Ssj3.
(no offence)

[Josh-sama]

But during the transformation before ape, he should have hit SSJ3 then moved onto SSJ4.

It's skipping a whole level of power, it's like a step. You need to unlock one, to get the other.

This is why I hate GT.

[Archon]

I think he has the right to do it. Lol, I think he might have achieved SSJ3 somewhere between the timelime. You could also jump. Nah just kiddin'.

[erosenin]

Wrong Theory, but it was a good one
we're talking about why Vegeta missed Ssj3.
(no offence)

my theory was based on why ssj3 was not needed. It would have been cool to see him go ssj3, but my theory explained how I felt on how Vegeta skipped ssj3. super saiyan 4 was unique, and was not based off the original power ups, and the way that one did not have to attain ssj3 for their super saiyan power to be heightened by the power of the ape. Goku trained in outworld, and was pushed to the limits in combat, and there fights caused him to reach a new peak, and he always had shown signs of being more in tone with his inner power, and bringing it out to its full potential. Vegeta originally needed the power of babadi to raise himself to what he thought was Goku's limit of ssj2. Maybe if they had allowed Vegeta to keep his body, and train in outworld after death, he could have met some of those great fighters and got some great training in. However I was only stating that I see the reasoning behind him skipping super saiyan 3, yet being allowed to go supersaiyan 4. Hence the theory.

[Mr. Solo]

Ahhh
I see
But its weird since like Josh said you have to unlock ssj3 to hit ssj4, Vegeta destroyed that cycle with that machine

[Delaz]

Just to note, Vegeta reached SSJ2 with the help of Babidi making him Majin.
So by his only power he could only reach the power of SSJ. That makes him weaker than Goku and Gohan. If you don't believe this, watch over the episodes when he was Majin he mentions it saying Babidi's power boost helped him to reach the next level of power.

[Josh-sama]

Aye I know that, but technically then he shouldn't have hit SSJ4 first. He'd have hit SSJ3.

[Mr. Solo]

But remember most of it is bs
I've noticed Badibi's mind control made him hit the border of ssj2/ ssj3.
Since he lost all that power it must have closed that link to reaching ssj3 meaning he couldn't have gone ssj4 at all, but what happens? Bulma makes a machine that makes him hit Ssj4 which completely undermines how hard Goku worked for it and how it makes no sense

[Mecha Commando]

But during the transformation before ape, he should have hit SSJ3 then moved onto SSJ4.

It's skipping a whole level of power, it's like a step. You need to unlock one, to get the other.

This is why I hate GT.

Yep. Yet another reason to dismiss GT. There was just no logical consistency in GT.

[Yoruichi17]

Even if he should have reached SSJ3, he didn't...
Sadly, that's that...

Im guessing Vegeta didnt want to reach that state, and he didn't want to have to reach that state...

Or, perhaps the machine they used could only allow him to reach SSJ4...???
Or maybe it was programmed ONLY to reach SSJ4..???

Vegeta's body was strong enough to survive in the SSJ4 state as long as he did... So even if he could never reach the SSJ 3 state, we at least know his body can last in that form, and we also know that he may be strong enough to reach SSJ3 if he tried...

[Evil_Gaara]

Well I think that Vegeta did reach SSJ3 when he went threw the ape transformation because after that he had the energy to do it, but we never got to see it though. Just a guess.

[frost!]

Well I think that Vegeta did reach SSJ3 when he went threw the ape transformation because after that he had the energy to do it, but we never got to see it though. Just a guess.

i'm gonna have side with you on that one

[xY0K0x]

Well
I don't think Vegeta has the skill to make his ki excel that high.
Besides he can only hit Ssj2 without any assistance so I'm guessing thats his limit.
Unless he has it but just doesn't use it

Yeah im gonna agree with Ultima on that one